Message from @el pebble

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2019-08-06 00:07:20 UTC  

the power to limit oneself is a limitation

2019-08-06 00:07:35 UTC  

you dont seem to understand

2019-08-06 00:07:42 UTC  

i think i will wait for the answer of the intelligent person i asked

2019-08-06 00:08:25 UTC  

why am i more powerful if i am able to blow my own kneecaps off?

2019-08-06 00:10:28 UTC  

It is about the ability to actualize a potential

2019-08-06 00:10:51 UTC  

the capacity to act on a potential

2019-08-06 00:11:08 UTC  

your question is completely disparate

2019-08-06 00:12:37 UTC  

your definition of power can not be applied to god then

2019-08-06 00:13:15 UTC  

Yes it can, because God is interpreted as pure actuality in terms of actuality and potential

2019-08-06 00:13:19 UTC  

it is entirely the definition at hand

2019-08-06 00:13:34 UTC  

at least in the scholastic western world

2019-08-06 00:13:43 UTC  

as I was asking a christians

2019-08-06 00:15:47 UTC  

Omnipotence is perfect power, free from all mere potentiality

2019-08-06 00:16:01 UTC  

because it is pure actuality

2019-08-06 00:16:04 UTC  

no unresolved potential

2019-08-06 00:16:13 UTC  

so

2019-08-06 00:16:24 UTC  

Does God have the capacity to apply limitation to his own power

2019-08-06 00:16:42 UTC  

the transition from possibility to actuality or from act to potentiality, occurs only in creatures

2019-08-06 00:17:32 UTC  

why

2019-08-06 00:17:42 UTC  

it exists in things that arent alive

2019-08-06 00:17:49 UTC  

matter and form

2019-08-06 00:18:36 UTC  

when it is said that God can or could do a thing, the terms are not to be understood in the sense in which they are applied to created causes, but as conveying the idea of a being, the range of Whose activity is limited only by His sovereign will

2019-08-06 00:19:26 UTC  

By saying the God cannot transition to a state of potentiality denies Christ's existence

2019-08-06 00:19:47 UTC  

lol no it does not

2019-08-06 00:19:52 UTC  

It does

2019-08-06 00:19:59 UTC  

Christ was a human with divinity

2019-08-06 00:20:00 UTC  

still human

2019-08-06 00:20:13 UTC  

stil created

2019-08-06 00:20:17 UTC  

still with potency

2019-08-06 00:20:58 UTC  

This isn’t the catholic view maybe Protestant

2019-08-06 00:21:11 UTC  

The Church holds he is human

2019-08-06 00:21:30 UTC  

a human with divinity

2019-08-06 00:21:58 UTC  

The church holds is human and divine, not a human with divinity if you get the distinction

2019-08-06 00:22:11 UTC  

yes as in he is without sin

2019-08-06 00:22:15 UTC  

the distinction is negligible really

2019-08-06 00:22:23 UTC  

the important part is the human facet

2019-08-06 00:22:34 UTC  

it is a form of potency that God undertook

2019-08-06 00:23:18 UTC  

but this is straying too far from my question

2019-08-06 00:24:10 UTC  

Does the all-powerful God have the capacity to limit his power

2019-08-06 00:24:50 UTC  

not restrain by parameters but to permanently quantify a level to it, thereby severing it from an all-powerful nature

2019-08-06 00:27:16 UTC  

having a sovereign will is a form of power if he were to have the capacity to limit himself, for example to remove his own will, he would not be all powerful