>Civic Nationalism
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Is pushing American Ideals abroad not protecting Americans?

I.e. it doesn't exist

Well I mean we need it, there is no American Nation, we have to have a fantasy to work as a country

Like Belgium, or Iran

Its the next step from Empire

How is Iran a fantasy nation? They're one of the oldest nations on Earth.

@εïз irma εïз Because of the vast number of different people's under their flag, the Persian People of old are dead, they just occupy the same geographical location

That is entirely untrue. The "Persian People" "of old" are still there, the history and tradition is still there.

It's built on Islamic identity post-caliphate for sure, but in no way are Iranians severed from the pre-Islamic Iranian history.

And Iran is very much Persian dominated, that would be as dumb as saying Spain is not a real nation because at one point they were Celtic and they have regionalism in Galicia and Catalonia.

And it's not like there was ever any coherent Persian people. Iran has been conquered and settled multiple times.

I mean a Nation is *a group of people united by common descent, history, race, ethnicity, culture, religion, or language, inhabiting a particular country or geographic territory*.
So the US isn't a Nation today if compared to this definition.
It doesn't have a unifying race (let alone ethnicity), culture, language, or religion.
It used to (White Anglo Saxon Protestants) but as time moved on and laws were added/changed, it is no longer a nation.

Granted a number of modern states could be labeled as a non nation like the US.

America was never good because Anglos are scum and Protestants are brainlets.

Anglos are God's true chosen people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

(((anglos)))

^

We are the chosen people

goyim

American Nation exists as a state of ideas or civics. Some like to call it cultural nationalism not unlike Rome. Many races religions ethnicities but one culture. A monoculture.

otter btfo'd for all time

religions are culture

Religions are part of culture.

Not the whole.

America doesn't have that either.
The closest America had to a unifying culture is the *Frontier Spirit* or in laymans terms, Libertarianism

Rome was not really culturally nationalist, most areas of the empire were nominally subservient to the Roman pantheon (the requirement for being under Roman protection) while it was the landed gentry who maintained control over people who couldn't care less because the only thing they ever knew was tribal allegiances.

Yes, you admitted to your mistake though, which makes it weird

And America for better or for worse is massively protestant.

Not even massively and definitely for the worst.

Lol right that's why protestant evangelicals hold so much political power.

@Melissa Karlee why civnat? why not cultural nat?

@PunishedMuskovy pi don't see a difference

Massively would have to mean overwhelming at least, and for sure Protestantism is not in the mainstream. It's not a popular political talking point and it has next to no cultural significance outside of the American southwest.

East, I mean.

Plus even with a "unifying culture" Rome still had problems with being Multi-Ethnic, the Crisis of the 3rd Century shows that.
Where (due to various factors) Rome fractured into 3 parts.
Rome Proper (Italian Peninsula, Iberia, Balkans)
Gallic Rome (current day England and Wales, as well as France and the Benelux region)
And the Palmyrene Empire (Mesopotamia and Egypt)

Civic Nationalism is basically "act in favor of america"

while cultural nationalism is "act american"

ethno nat america is just not viable whatsoever

It wouldn't even technically be Ethno Nationalist, but rather Racial Nationalist.
And the only way that'll happen is with Balkanization