Message from @urban

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2019-02-01 01:05:33 UTC  

I'm not exactly anti-capitalist, I think that a more socialistic version of capitalism, like social democracy, would it be a good fit.

2019-02-01 01:06:03 UTC  

Total socialism has proven to be non-sustainable

2019-02-01 01:06:15 UTC  

socialism is morally wrong, even if you put democracy in it's name

2019-02-01 01:06:26 UTC  

I agree

2019-02-01 01:06:45 UTC  

It depends on how we define Capitalism

2019-02-01 01:06:56 UTC  

I love private property. I love business, etc.

2019-02-01 01:07:05 UTC  

But I hate capitalism and what it has done to society

2019-02-01 01:07:25 UTC  

We need to reel the market it, and make sure it serves the people, not the other way around

2019-02-01 01:07:35 UTC  

It's why I like the distributist ideal

2019-02-01 01:07:52 UTC  

Preferably decentralizing the economy would be my suggestion.

2019-02-01 01:09:16 UTC  

Socialism isn't morally wrong in my opinion, at least in theory, promoting equality between the different social classes isn't inherently wrong.

2019-02-01 01:09:29 UTC  

Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.
Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system, and competitive markets.
In a capitalist market economy, decision-making and investment are determined by every owner of wealth, property or production ability in financial and capital markets, whereas prices and the distribution of goods and services are mainly determined by competition in goods and services markets.

2019-02-01 01:09:46 UTC  

^ What here do you oppose?

2019-02-01 01:09:59 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/540700309912289281/julius_evola_quote.jpg

2019-02-01 01:10:10 UTC  

Felt obligated to post this given the discussion

2019-02-01 01:10:48 UTC  

The definition I posted is objective. It's not "muh materialism"

2019-02-01 01:10:49 UTC  

@Deleted User It fails to control itself for the sake of society

2019-02-01 01:10:54 UTC  

There's always been many of these factors

2019-02-01 01:11:00 UTC  

Name a system that does

2019-02-01 01:11:10 UTC  

There's almost always been private property, voluntary exchange, etc.

2019-02-01 01:11:13 UTC  

Competition

2019-02-01 01:11:21 UTC  

Capitalism is just free markets

2019-02-01 01:11:26 UTC  

where previously they were controlled

2019-02-01 01:11:31 UTC  

That's not the definition.

2019-02-01 01:12:00 UTC  

Well, we agree that Capitalism hasn't always existed, but its parts have.

2019-02-01 01:12:26 UTC  

I am not in favor of laissez faire

2019-02-01 01:12:46 UTC  

Or anarchy

2019-02-01 01:12:49 UTC  

Well what is Capitalism to you?

2019-02-01 01:12:57 UTC  

Any system with private means of production?

2019-02-01 01:13:00 UTC  

The definition I posted

2019-02-01 01:13:00 UTC  

Markets?

2019-02-01 01:13:16 UTC  

Okay

2019-02-01 01:13:25 UTC  

So I'd disagree where everything is left to the market

2019-02-01 01:13:30 UTC  

I find very little not to like

2019-02-01 01:13:40 UTC  

Previously the state would regulate things to suit the society

2019-02-01 01:14:14 UTC  

There is nothing in the definition that specifies that under capitalism the state can't regulate the market. In fact, the state does so right now in capitalist countries.

2019-02-01 01:14:43 UTC  

Well here we have a problem

2019-02-01 01:14:50 UTC  

The an cap wet dream doesn't exist in modern times. Pretty much every capitalist country has regulation

2019-02-01 01:15:02 UTC  

I'm not just talking about regulation

2019-02-01 01:15:31 UTC  

Well, not regulation as it's usually understood

2019-02-01 01:15:41 UTC  

I think pre-capitalist economies are worth looking at