Message from @urban
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If not just as damaging.
I'm not exactly anti-capitalist, I think that a more socialistic version of capitalism, like social democracy, would it be a good fit.
Total socialism has proven to be non-sustainable
socialism is morally wrong, even if you put democracy in it's name
I agree
It depends on how we define Capitalism
I love private property. I love business, etc.
But I hate capitalism and what it has done to society
We need to reel the market it, and make sure it serves the people, not the other way around
It's why I like the distributist ideal
Preferably decentralizing the economy would be my suggestion.
Socialism isn't morally wrong in my opinion, at least in theory, promoting equality between the different social classes isn't inherently wrong.
Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.
Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system, and competitive markets.
In a capitalist market economy, decision-making and investment are determined by every owner of wealth, property or production ability in financial and capital markets, whereas prices and the distribution of goods and services are mainly determined by competition in goods and services markets.
^ What here do you oppose?
Felt obligated to post this given the discussion
The definition I posted is objective. It's not "muh materialism"
@Deleted User It fails to control itself for the sake of society
There's always been many of these factors
Name a system that does
Competition
Capitalism is just free markets
where previously they were controlled
That's not the definition.
Well, we agree that Capitalism hasn't always existed, but its parts have.
I am not in favor of laissez faire
Or anarchy
Well what is Capitalism to you?
Any system with private means of production?
The definition I posted
Markets?
Okay
So I'd disagree where everything is left to the market
I find very little not to like
Previously the state would regulate things to suit the society
There is nothing in the definition that specifies that under capitalism the state can't regulate the market. In fact, the state does so right now in capitalist countries.
Well here we have a problem
The an cap wet dream doesn't exist in modern times. Pretty much every capitalist country has regulation
I'm not just talking about regulation
Well, not regulation as it's usually understood