Message from @Dead Banská

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2019-02-03 03:35:13 UTC  

No?

2019-02-03 03:35:22 UTC  

The CotE was huge up into the 14th century

2019-02-03 03:35:23 UTC  

Fresh is Orthodox

2019-02-03 03:35:30 UTC  

it started declining after that

2019-02-03 03:35:42 UTC  

it was under very heavy persecution in the 20th century during the Assyrian genocide

2019-02-03 03:36:06 UTC  

yea, the church being based in Assyria was bad news

2019-02-03 03:36:11 UTC  

fuckin muzzies

2019-02-03 03:36:17 UTC  

Well, I don’t believe God would allow His Church to decline to such an extent. The gospel was said to be preached to all nations

2019-02-03 03:36:47 UTC  

A semi-Arian could have said that to an Orthodox Christian in the 4th century

2019-02-03 03:37:16 UTC  

The CotE spread Christianity to as far as China, Mongolia, and Japan

2019-02-03 03:37:29 UTC  

And it has been preserved in India to this day

2019-02-03 03:37:35 UTC  

The Arian crisis didn’t last for very long, your sect has been in decline for many centuries

2019-02-03 03:38:17 UTC  

Since the 14th

2019-02-03 03:38:43 UTC  

Before that, it was by many estimates larger than the Latin church

2019-02-03 03:40:04 UTC  

I would rather talk on theological grounds than appeals to the size of the church

2019-02-03 03:40:18 UTC  

one can say the catholic church and the orthodox church suffered the same

2019-02-03 03:40:22 UTC  

^

2019-02-03 03:41:01 UTC  

The church is probably leaving its period of decline now, at least it seems so to me

2019-02-03 03:41:13 UTC  

Are you Assyrian?

2019-02-03 03:41:18 UTC  

No

2019-02-03 03:41:24 UTC  

Along with about 15% of the church

2019-02-03 03:43:12 UTC  

Well, I’m no theologian, so I’m not exactly equipped to debate that matter, but as a rule I don’t take seriously small sects claiming to be the true Church. Same with the Sedevecantists and those sorts of people

2019-02-03 03:44:12 UTC  

The difference with the Sedevecantists is that they do not occupy any apostolic see

2019-02-03 03:44:41 UTC  

Depends, there are Conclavists with their own ‘Popes’

2019-02-03 03:45:04 UTC  

Their elections weren't valid though

2019-02-03 03:45:30 UTC  

Church of the East has her own Sedevacantists, they are called Old Calendarists and elected their own Patriarch

2019-02-03 03:45:39 UTC  

Maybe not, but I don’t believe your hierarchy is valid either

2019-02-03 03:45:55 UTC  

Respectfully it is valid whether you believe it or not

2019-02-03 03:46:20 UTC  

The issue of our apostolic succession has been firmly settled

2019-02-03 03:47:54 UTC  

You might have ‘Apostolic succession’ in a physical sense, but it doesn’t mean you’re spiritually descended from the apostles. The Lutheran Church of Sweden will also claim apostolic succession

2019-02-03 03:48:05 UTC  

Stockholm isn't an apostolic see though

2019-02-03 03:48:46 UTC  

Bawai Soro proved Selecuia-Ctesiphon developed independently from Antioch in his book

2019-02-03 03:49:07 UTC  

Rome is an apostolic see, but I don’t think either of us would recognise the Pope as having legitimate succession

2019-02-03 03:49:22 UTC  

What do you mean a legitimate succession

2019-02-03 03:49:27 UTC  

Recognizing him as orthodox? Of course not

2019-02-03 03:49:29 UTC  

He’s a heretic

2019-02-03 03:49:37 UTC  

Right

2019-02-03 03:50:00 UTC  

So have ‘succession’ doesn’t matter much in that case

2019-02-03 03:50:29 UTC  

If the issue is whether or not we are heretics, we are not

2019-02-03 03:51:00 UTC  

Well, like I said, I don’t think I’m learned enough yet for a theological debate

2019-02-03 03:51:06 UTC  

That's fair