There is no reason for them to run the true story about her either if she gets locked in prison.

Right, but shes literally in prison and people can verify that

It’s very hard to spin shit when you can literally visit the person

Also you don't want them to come back... they will only be a problem later on... and their children will be the problem in the generations to come.

Sure but maybe she was captured in battle and the west locked her up?

She would even tell a beautifull story about her capture! Oh what a story would it be.

I dont want them to come back but them keeping fighting is even worse. Ideally they run away to the hills and fuck goats. Failing that home is the next best thing i suppose and im happy to throw a dog a bone

And thats a very difficult story to spin when your not in control of her and you dont know what shes told them

You dont know what shell say

Hard to raise someone up who might be ratting you out

Dead men, however, tell no tales

It is not really anymore dyfficult then spinning a narrative based on what she already said.

I mean her case for martyrdom can only get better.

That’s why we have so many martyrdom stories where the martyr grows old and becomes a checkout chick at the local deli

Clearly

It’s very difficult to tell people to fight unto death when their idol is in Chenswich pentitentiary because she got captured and was co-operative and got a ps4

People like ps4’s

Your isis commander might be a dick tho

And that sounds petty but its kinda the trajectory most of these stories go

she only needs to be a symbol for the time being... what happens after 5 years is irrelevant in this context really. Also if you say that she wouldn't be an effective martyr alive... there is no reason to belive that she would an effective martyr after her death. There is no reason to belive that she wouldn't serve an example for people who are planning to run away to fight for isis

So in other words this convo is one big "whataboutism" on your part (and on mine as well) but I don't really try to frame a narrative here on whataboutitm arguments. I am only pointing out that you are doing it.

That’s shit ass marketing aki and relies on people having no memory. People do and the worst thing you can do to a bad product is market the shit out of it.

Re; whataboutism as you say we’re both doing it so its a moot point and i dont think it requires an in depth discussion that the dead are much easier to idealise.

also Brevik is not an example you wanna rely on in this case. lol

Breviks a pretty good example. Brevik is also accused of being a sell out and a chump

I don't think it requires an deep knowledge to say that dead or not she is not a good cancidate for an isis martyr.

Probably not but by not killing her the UK retains the moral highground in the established culture, whether you agree with that perspective or not

The point being is that is the main viewpoint and the one you have to play to

Isis kills people
The uk is fair and just though and puts them in prison when able

It’s a good narrative

Whether its true or not is another discussion

People believe its true

The only thing ISIS members deserve is a bullet to the head

Pussy

I agree, im not saying they deserve anything more, im talking about effect

Today’s bullets are expensive

I’m trying to save money

Of course the neoliberal makes it all about finance

Who said money is the sinews of war?

Who said you cannot worship God and mammon?

Cicero?

Also whats god done for me lately?