Message from @bruce
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I have no spiel, I am just pointing out your ignorance of something you dislike, if you don't understand something how can you hate it?
Other Nationalist
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I’d see fascism as a political ideology which seeks legitimacy through force, to limit internal competition and to encompass the widest possible swathe of a nation under a single system to the exclusion of others
Is that a fair description?
I wouldn't agree with that definition because Stalin would be a fascist according to that definition
Communism seeks legitimacy through the proletariat
Hot take
Stalinism isn't communism
not at all as there are a million and one different versions of fascism and not all are forceful like Hitler or Mussolini which did not force people to stay in that nation and you do not need to exclude other people if you are helping your own.
If we are being realistic here
it is authoritarianism and state socialism
which isn't communism, or at least not supposed to be
it gained legitimacy through the state
Stalin also claimed legitimacy on that basis, hence Stalin could not be described as fascistic. Stalin has significant deviations from more traditional Marxist thought but still adheres to the foundations.
Legitimacy and power are two different things
>Communism seeks legitimacy through the proletariat
So does Fascism
so
lol
Stalinism is more a centralized authoritarian.
or even middle class
it is supposed to captivate support irrespective of economic category
As such it does include the proletariat
Strasserism and Peronism may arguably, but fascism does not seek the support of the proletariat but of the volk, the nation, etc
the proletariat are apart of the volk
and National Socialism did try to aid the working class
Stalin does not adhere to traditional Marxism, Marxism was international and closer to Trotsky's ideals of permanent revolution than the nationalist, isolationism of Stalin
through its heavy social policy
Right but it did not define its success or failure by the workers as workers, but as the workers as a part of the people. The fact that fascism also seeks to include the middle class and even upper class demonstrates the difference here
people are stupid
revolutions have happened with 1% of 1% of the population
fascism is the uniting of classes rather than the communist dividing of classes.
"the proletariat" or whatever will follow the rules/social norms as set by the rulers
or leaders
whatever title you give them
This is Lenin’s concept of the vanguard. Not sure what your getting at
people are too readily influenced to make decisions for themselves
Lenin had some ok ideas
the idea of a "vanguard class" isn't really new
that a small group of people should watch out for a larger one?