yes

I bet you don't even know what fascism is ying

Course I don’t. I’ve only been here for 5 seconds so I havnt heard this spiel before

@Friend of Greatest Ally Yes we do

I have no spiel, I am just pointing out your ignorance of something you dislike, if you don't understand something how can you hate it?

Other Nationalist

ah

I’d see fascism as a political ideology which seeks legitimacy through force, to limit internal competition and to encompass the widest possible swathe of a nation under a single system to the exclusion of others

Is that a fair description?

I wouldn't agree with that definition because Stalin would be a fascist according to that definition

Communism seeks legitimacy through the proletariat

Hot take

Stalinism isn't communism

not at all as there are a million and one different versions of fascism and not all are forceful like Hitler or Mussolini which did not force people to stay in that nation and you do not need to exclude other people if you are helping your own.

If we are being realistic here

it is authoritarianism and state socialism

which isn't communism, or at least not supposed to be

it gained legitimacy through the state

Stalin also claimed legitimacy on that basis, hence Stalin could not be described as fascistic. Stalin has significant deviations from more traditional Marxist thought but still adheres to the foundations.

Legitimacy and power are two different things

>Communism seeks legitimacy through the proletariat

So does Fascism

so

lol

Stalinism is more a centralized authoritarian.

Fascism is not exclusively seeking power by garnering upper class support

or even middle class

it is supposed to captivate support irrespective of economic category

As such it does include the proletariat

Strasserism and Peronism may arguably, but fascism does not seek the support of the proletariat but of the volk, the nation, etc

the proletariat are apart of the volk

and National Socialism did try to aid the working class

Stalin does not adhere to traditional Marxism, Marxism was international and closer to Trotsky's ideals of permanent revolution than the nationalist, isolationism of Stalin

through its heavy social policy

Right but it did not define its success or failure by the workers as workers, but as the workers as a part of the people. The fact that fascism also seeks to include the middle class and even upper class demonstrates the difference here

people are stupid

revolutions have happened with 1% of 1% of the population

fascism is the uniting of classes rather than the communist dividing of classes.

"the proletariat" or whatever will follow the rules/social norms as set by the rulers

or leaders

whatever title you give them

This is Lenin’s concept of the vanguard. Not sure what your getting at