Stalin post 1941 employed nationalist rhetoric

@Cyboman I’m not saying its new or effective, I’m saying the opposite. It is the thought process though

but he flip flopped on everything, so

@CronoSaturn so you're saying a population, half of whose IQ lies below 100, should decide for itself what to do?

a small group of people deciding for the wider group is oligarchy, so yes it would be if ir is a tribe of elders or something similar

if you define it so broadly then the world has always been lead by oligarchs

I know ying, but he did not seek to break down the classes like marxism but instead made an elitist state with the communist party as the elite

@Cyboman I have no idea how you’ve drawn that from what I’ve said.

That's my point cyber, it always has

yes, I believe it is better that the world is lead by leaders, not by followers

Always was, always will

True democracy has never been tried

"true democracy" shouldn't _ever_ be tried

Also true

the extreme's of democracy were tried and failed on greece

@Friend of Greatest Ally it’s difficult to make concrete statements like that re: Stalin. In terms of the rhetoric he espoused? No, it’s just an expression of the dictatorship of the proletariat. In reality I’d be more inclined to agree, but that’s less then cut and dry

I don’t think any real extreme of democracy was tried in Greece and I’m not sure what failure your referring to

You realise Greece fell to another broadly Hellenistic republic, yeah?

And that many of the Greek states were never democratic in the slightest?

Greece had a full on actual democracy and because the 51% could do whatever the masses voted like idiots and destroyed it

>greece fell when it became part of a multicultural state

how strange

They never had anything resembling universal suffrage

we should be like sparta

change my mind

slavery isn't really a viable economic decision

gay

No u

it's also an industry dominated by hebrews

but I do agree with most of spartan health and fitness mandates 👍

Spartans were gay

>spartans we are gay

Eugenics, only the strong can lead and national unity through brotherhood? sign me up

spartans were indeed gay tho

as were most pagan societies prior to christianization

@Cyboman I was quoting the Athenians

the athenians were also gay

i guess it took one to know one even back then 🤷

@Shiba Inu are you saying they weren't gay?

@Friend of Greatest Ally you call a property and social rank requirement, exclusion of women and a bunch of other filters proper democracy? And this is only Athens mind.

Really unsure where the fuck the multicultural claims your making here are coming from at all, @Cyboman . I don’t think you do either

@CronoSaturn the hellenic era was one of multiculturalism