That's my point cyber, it always has

yes, I believe it is better that the world is lead by leaders, not by followers

Always was, always will

True democracy has never been tried

"true democracy" shouldn't _ever_ be tried

Also true

the extreme's of democracy were tried and failed on greece

@Friend of Greatest Ally it’s difficult to make concrete statements like that re: Stalin. In terms of the rhetoric he espoused? No, it’s just an expression of the dictatorship of the proletariat. In reality I’d be more inclined to agree, but that’s less then cut and dry

I don’t think any real extreme of democracy was tried in Greece and I’m not sure what failure your referring to

You realise Greece fell to another broadly Hellenistic republic, yeah?

And that many of the Greek states were never democratic in the slightest?

Greece had a full on actual democracy and because the 51% could do whatever the masses voted like idiots and destroyed it

>greece fell when it became part of a multicultural state

how strange

They never had anything resembling universal suffrage

we should be like sparta

change my mind

slavery isn't really a viable economic decision

gay

No u

it's also an industry dominated by hebrews

but I do agree with most of spartan health and fitness mandates 👍

Spartans were gay

>spartans we are gay

Eugenics, only the strong can lead and national unity through brotherhood? sign me up

spartans were indeed gay tho

as were most pagan societies prior to christianization

@Cyboman I was quoting the Athenians

the athenians were also gay

i guess it took one to know one even back then 🤷

@Shiba Inu are you saying they weren't gay?

@Friend of Greatest Ally you call a property and social rank requirement, exclusion of women and a bunch of other filters proper democracy? And this is only Athens mind.

Really unsure where the fuck the multicultural claims your making here are coming from at all, @Cyboman . I don’t think you do either

@CronoSaturn the hellenic era was one of multiculturalism

and ying, you know greece fell about 6-7 times right? there wasn't just one fall.

women are property

Which Greece? What greek state?

Like you realise Greece wasn’t the modern nation state it is today? Athens and Sparta continually went to war and allied with entities not on the Greek peninsula to do so

ancient Greece of 500BCE

Yep

So which state

Because there wasn’t a single Ancient Greece