the athenians were also gay

i guess it took one to know one even back then 🤷

@Shiba Inu are you saying they weren't gay?

@Friend of Greatest Ally you call a property and social rank requirement, exclusion of women and a bunch of other filters proper democracy? And this is only Athens mind.

Really unsure where the fuck the multicultural claims your making here are coming from at all, @Cyboman . I don’t think you do either

@CronoSaturn the hellenic era was one of multiculturalism

and ying, you know greece fell about 6-7 times right? there wasn't just one fall.

women are property

Which Greece? What greek state?

Like you realise Greece wasn’t the modern nation state it is today? Athens and Sparta continually went to war and allied with entities not on the Greek peninsula to do so

ancient Greece of 500BCE

Yep

So which state

Because there wasn’t a single Ancient Greece

they were a loose collective of states

Not even that most of the time. Retrospectively we group them together, they often didn’t see themselves in the same group

they all identified as greeks and was similar to the old American Confederacy before the constitution

Sometimes they identified as Persian, actually

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no

they allied with Persians sometimes but did not identify as them

greece is going to hell and america is too

Yeah, in what way did "Greece" fall?

the collapse of 600BCE

it was big and strong, then it collapsed and got small and weak and then the romans took it over

yuh

Quite a few Greek states were established as, or became Persian colonies, used Persian currency, language and accepted Persian cultural norms

Fucking 300 isn’t a reliable source bra

you seem to not see what I am typing because I clearly said THEY ALLIED WITH PERSIOAN SOMETIMES

that does not make them Persian

Becoming a colony is a lil more then becoming an ally

They were directly governed or even created by persia for periods

they were still ethnically greek and back then it was mostly about ethnicity and ideals

^ yuh

They didn’t really have a concept of ethnicity and it didn’t consistently extend to other states

>greeks didn't have a concept of ethnicity

are you retarded

ying

ying

read Plato's the republic

Not in the way you people are describing

he was a greek from that era and laid out how a republic can work