Message from @Juan Filly

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2019-09-17 16:25:18 UTC  

How would it not be?

2019-09-17 16:25:40 UTC  

Nationalism doesn't imply imperialism, change my mind

2019-09-17 16:26:04 UTC  

I think we can still respect other nations sovereignty though while still being nationalistic though am I wrong?

2019-09-17 16:26:05 UTC  

Nationalism implies loving one's nation, which can lead to imperialism.

2019-09-17 16:26:37 UTC  

@Juan Filly you can not invade people, but in my opinion caring about the well being of foreigners isn't nationalist.

2019-09-17 16:27:00 UTC  

Have to underline the *can* in that sentence earlyier

2019-09-17 16:27:07 UTC  

Tbh I don't entirely disagree with @The Desert Fox V but I think that modern colonialism would be too much pain not enough gain.

2019-09-17 16:27:19 UTC  

Just try and work with their governments

2019-09-17 16:27:28 UTC  

Worst comes to worst just coup them

2019-09-17 16:27:36 UTC  

If anything economic imperialism is the only way really in my opinion

2019-09-17 16:27:48 UTC  

Le epic CIA/KGB/Mossad style

2019-09-17 16:28:12 UTC  

/MI6/Chinese/French style

2019-09-17 16:28:42 UTC  

I think you could colonize properly but then again I don't know all the facts. But I think that if a modern military landed in africa and shot niggers on sight they'd probably win.

2019-09-17 16:29:38 UTC  

It would take ages

2019-09-17 16:29:44 UTC  

Africa is massive

2019-09-17 16:29:57 UTC  

Plus their combined military strength isn't negligible

2019-09-17 16:30:05 UTC  

It isn't the 1890s anymore

2019-09-17 16:30:19 UTC  

If it was I would agree with you

2019-09-17 16:31:15 UTC  

In my opinion fighting in africa for the length of time required is fine. You'd probably have to make extensive use of indirect killing through bombing and gas plus playing African groups off against each other.

2019-09-17 16:33:04 UTC  

Why would you do all of this in the first place though? Kill your men in a war for some random pieces of land in a far foreign land, while your main problem is how fucked up your country is alone

2019-09-17 16:34:15 UTC  

Also gotta keep convincing the people that it is worth the extra resources and thats he only thing you have to justify being send half way across the globe

2019-09-17 16:34:23 UTC  

To prob die in africa

2019-09-17 16:35:07 UTC  

Like the only reason you have is for extra resources so thats kind of a hard sell unless your in an economic downturn, but then why would you invade a far away country anyways

2019-09-17 16:37:47 UTC  

@anthr0pos obviously I wouldn't invade Africa until internal problems have been solved

2019-09-17 16:38:30 UTC  

@Juan Filly the main advantage is lebensraum and power for the nation, which any fascist would want surely...

2019-09-17 16:38:44 UTC  

Idk man, even africans should be allowed to have ethnostates

2019-09-17 16:38:50 UTC  

Maybe closer to home but in a place that far off?

2019-09-17 16:39:02 UTC  

Kinda a hard sell.

2019-09-17 16:39:25 UTC  

Imperialism interfers with the principle of preserving each culture, ethnos

2019-09-17 16:39:35 UTC  

^

2019-09-17 16:39:40 UTC  

Inevitably there would be race mixing

2019-09-17 16:40:01 UTC  

Also multicultural elements would have to be put in place

2019-09-17 16:40:07 UTC  

The only imperialism I remotely support is the USA with north and South America

2019-09-17 16:40:11 UTC  

Unless you want either ethnic riots

2019-09-17 16:40:22 UTC  

Or try to commit genocide

2019-09-17 16:40:35 UTC  

Can't just take africa and shake it in a bag together with Britain

2019-09-17 16:40:43 UTC  

You cant easily force people to change and adapt to a culture without leeway

2019-09-17 16:40:48 UTC  

God knows what terrible things would come out

2019-09-17 16:42:24 UTC  

If you kill all the native there'd be little race mixing and no mutli culturalism

2019-09-17 16:42:26 UTC  

Like you would have to give at least an inch to prevent total riots and by that point it kinda beats the purpose of nationalism if you have to accept bits of other cultures to precent collapsing.

2019-09-17 16:43:03 UTC  

Yeah have fun trying to kill that many people and not get eventually coalitioned by the entirety of the continent