Message from @The State

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2019-10-10 21:05:39 UTC  

The British had nothing but claims either

2019-10-10 21:05:47 UTC  

and they didnt even have claims there

2019-10-10 21:05:51 UTC  

they just decided they did

2019-10-10 21:05:51 UTC  

It would be more like you actually have a PS4, I claim sovereignty over the TV, but then you actually buy it

2019-10-10 21:05:56 UTC  

lemme bleach yo gf if you care so much @Juan Filly

2019-10-10 21:06:08 UTC  

The British sent us a fucking ultimatum

2019-10-10 21:06:08 UTC  

Im not a race tratior.

2019-10-10 21:06:13 UTC  

thats not selling

2019-10-10 21:06:25 UTC  

I CLAIM THIS TELEVISION FOR HER MAJESTY QUEEN ELIZABETH THE II

2019-10-10 21:06:31 UTC  

ALLAH SAVE THE QUEEN

2019-10-10 21:06:38 UTC  

Buying from a third party, not from you yourself in terms of the analogy

2019-10-10 21:07:17 UTC  

And again, they wanted a railroad that was only not built because the Germans got in the way, and the Germans were a lot more powerful than the Portuguese so they could actually enforce their own claims

2019-10-10 21:07:39 UTC  

We had claims, explorers and colonists on the land

2019-10-10 21:07:44 UTC  

we had pacified it

2019-10-10 21:07:59 UTC  

and the British just sent an ultimatum TO THEIR OWN ALLY for us to give it up all

2019-10-10 21:08:02 UTC  

why ?

2019-10-10 21:08:09 UTC  

Because they wanted the land for themselves

2019-10-10 21:08:32 UTC  

Traitors

2019-10-10 21:08:54 UTC  

What land are you referring to @Mankn II

2019-10-10 21:08:59 UTC  

I remember I saw an animated map showing the control that European powers had over African land (as opposed to just claims) over time and Portugal did not have effective control over any major part of Africa until the 1890s

2019-10-10 21:09:04 UTC  

After the Scramble for Africa

2019-10-10 21:09:09 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/604498877231529985/631961443658366999/1200px-Mapa_Cor-de-Rosa.png

2019-10-10 21:09:19 UTC  

Seriously

2019-10-10 21:09:26 UTC  

you saw an animated map

2019-10-10 21:09:51 UTC  

We explored the land

2019-10-10 21:09:56 UTC  

we captured the native leaders

2019-10-10 21:10:00 UTC  

and we were moving in

2019-10-10 21:10:19 UTC  

and then the British sent an Ultimatum

2019-10-10 21:10:27 UTC  

against their own ally I repeat

2019-10-10 21:11:09 UTC  

The Eternal Anglo

2019-10-10 21:11:25 UTC  

@Mankn II cite a source

2019-10-10 21:11:34 UTC  

Says nothing about it here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe

2019-10-10 21:12:18 UTC  

"While Stanley was exploring Congo on behalf of Leopold II of Belgium, the Franco-Italian marine officer Pierre de Brazza travelled into the western Congo basin and raised the French flag over the newly founded Brazzaville in 1881, thus occupying today's Republic of the Congo. Portugal, which also claimed the area due to old treaties with the native Kongo Empire, made a treaty with Britain on 26 February 1884 to block off the Congo Society's access to the Atlantic."

This is the closest thing I found that relates to what you described but even then it isn't as you portrayed it.

2019-10-10 21:12:23 UTC  

"The 1890 British Ultimatum was an ultimatum by the British government delivered on 11 January 1890 to Portugal. The ultimatum forced the retreat of Portuguese military forces from areas which had been claimed by Portugal on the basis of historical discovery and recent exploration, but which the United Kingdom claimed on the basis of effective occupation. Portugal had attempted to claim a large area of land between its colonies of Mozambique and Angola including most of present-day Zimbabwe and Zambia and a large part of Malawi, which had been included in Portugal's "Rose-coloured Map".

It has sometimes been claimed that the British government's objections arose because the Portuguese claims clashed with its aspirations to create a Cape to Cairo Railway, linking its colonies from the south of Africa to those in the north. This seems unlikely, as in 1890 Germany already controlled German East Africa, now Tanzania, and Sudan was independent under Muhammad Ahmad. Rather, the British government was pressed into taking action by Cecil Rhodes, whose British South Africa Company was founded in 1888 south of the Zambezi and the African Lakes Company and British missionaries to the north."

2019-10-10 21:12:28 UTC  
2019-10-10 21:12:45 UTC  

@Mankn II what's that from tho

2019-10-10 21:13:05 UTC  

5m search

2019-10-10 21:13:08 UTC  

less than that

2019-10-10 21:13:16 UTC  

@Mankn II effective occupation is more claim than just exploring it

2019-10-10 21:13:20 UTC  

"but which the United Kingdom claimed on the basis of effective occupation."

Meaning the UK had de facto control anyway