you will forever be linked, any hurt I do to her would hurt me too in the end

If your wife refuses to habe children thats a valid reason for divorce

And while divorce is sin, its her that abandoned the marriage and committed sin , not you

It's not always a valid reason for divorce, you mean state divorce or church divorce? @Sav

Marriage was considered a legitimate form of consent until relatively recently in the West @anthr0pos

It isn't "siegetard" or "Middle Eastern" to do so

Unless of course the entire West was reading Siege and was Middle Eastern until the mid 1900s or so

Not the same kind of consent, also the fact it was it doesn't make it just.

*did somebody say siege?*

Yes

Duty trump rights and if your wife refuses to fulfill her marital duty of bearing children it should be imposed upon her

10/10 would do siege again

One should not wait for a woman to get the career they dream of and wait for them to be fucking menopausal to have children

That's literally the definition of rape lol

That's why marital rape doesn't exist

The purpose of marriage is to create a family

The purpose of sex is to procreate

@The State I'm not suggesting to wait that long. I'm saying I'm not going to rape my damn wife if she doesn't feel like having sex one night.

Therefore the two overlap

@Kyle/MC Hoover it isn't about the pleasure of sex, it is about her duty to have children

If you do it for pleasure that's degenerate

The purpose of marriage isn't to force your wife to do that, that's rape literally. Also no one mentioned pleasure

It was implied

No it wasn't really

I said 'I'm not going to rape my wife if she doesn't want to have sex one night.'

That's your mind, not mine, making that assumption.

And if you'll be a genetic dead end because you don't impose her duties on her that's your problem but I think that's wrong

If she is refusing for too long, the problem clearly lies with her loyalties and not you.

At that point, you should have realised that you shouldn't have married her.

I don't know if refusal to procreate is grounds for church divorce or not, though.

You're giving marriage a mechanic and animal-like perception. Marriage isn't purely fuck your wife to have kids, the point is that you and your wife should be spiritually connected, that's why it has such a great importance in religions, what you're talking about is being a literal fucking machine

Agree with @Kyle/MC Hoover

Apologies, I'm not too well versed on the stance of the Church on stuff like this. But, even being as lenient as I can to The State's view, I just can't bring myself to tarnish the spiritual connection of me and my wife over not wanting to have sex at a specific time.

To procreate is important. But not important enough to destroy your own spirit and that of your wife forever.

Also I'm pretty sure that women know marriage brings to having a family as well so the "marital rape" I'd say mostly happens because of pleasure

If a woman has sex purely for pleasure, then why on God's good Earth did you marry her?

Also that

I've said my piece, but I do respect the view you have @The State. I just couldn't bring myself to tarnish that spiritual connection. A fascist prioritises the spirit, and that's what I'm doing here.

@anthr0pos that news isn’t sad

It’s scary

We’ve been kicked out of major social media platforms and in some places you can’t get bank loans and pay mortgages

@anthr0pos the state co siders it a legitimate reason 100% for divorce

The church im not sure but i assume it also does as the purpose is to have children and if she refuses to thats her abandoning the marriage