Message from @Arrias

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2019-11-05 19:22:44 UTC  

Vee's livestream was brilliant.

2019-11-05 19:22:49 UTC  

Well worth a watch.

2019-11-05 19:40:15 UTC  

if jesus was a story made by the romans why did romans persecute christians?

2019-11-05 19:41:00 UTC  

my first as well

2019-11-05 19:41:32 UTC  

"hey here's a new religion for you to believe that should ultimately pacify you." "but if you believe it we'll kill you."

2019-11-05 19:42:12 UTC  

Perhaps it was meant as a warning, that Roman citizens shouldn't worship Christ?

2019-11-05 19:42:43 UTC  

As Christ was made an example of, and the Romans justified the execution with the fact that Christ's teachings would have made the Empire and its people weak.

2019-11-05 19:43:01 UTC  

or it doesn't really make much sense

2019-11-05 19:44:02 UTC  

Either Christ did exist and the Romans executed him to prove a point, or they imagined him and told that story as a form of teaching and guidance to Roman citizens.
Either way, it was intended to discourage Christian worship.

2019-11-05 19:45:09 UTC  

well they actually executed him as a jewish heretic

2019-11-05 19:45:26 UTC  

enforcing jewish laws

2019-11-05 19:45:49 UTC  

also, everyone quotes the "turn the other cheek" but then ignore Luke 22
```He said, “This is different. Get ready for trouble. Look to what you’ll need; there are difficult times ahead. Pawn your coat and get a sword.```

2019-11-05 19:48:26 UTC  

@Machinimal @Arrias presumably because the other Emperors forgot all about it

2019-11-05 19:49:43 UTC  

ahh, yes the grand conspiracy to start a new religion apparently only known of by the emperor

2019-11-05 19:49:44 UTC  

in the article (if you read it), the scholar says that Jesus was allegedly created so people wouldn't follow a far more zealous sect of Judaism

2019-11-05 19:50:15 UTC  

because tasks like that are often performed by a singular individual

2019-11-05 19:51:11 UTC  

```Mr Atwill added: "They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system.```

2019-11-05 19:51:26 UTC  

I read that

2019-11-05 19:51:29 UTC  

.......which would explain why the Jews killed Jesus

2019-11-05 19:51:46 UTC  

but it doesn't address the issue of why they then persecuted the religion they're trying to spread

2019-11-05 19:51:53 UTC  

you can doubt all you want

2019-11-05 19:51:59 UTC  

the site was shit as well

2019-11-05 19:52:08 UTC  

so many fucking adds

2019-11-05 19:52:26 UTC  

Well then if Jews killed Jesus, fuck the Jews.

2019-11-05 19:52:35 UTC  

But why it would be Romans executing him then is beyond me.

2019-11-05 19:52:43 UTC  

I see what you mean.

2019-11-05 19:53:14 UTC  

Dunno, Rome persecuting Christianity seems really....contradictory from what I know of other religions citizens followed

2019-11-05 19:53:18 UTC  

christianity was adopted by rome 300 or so years after jesus's death

2019-11-05 19:53:50 UTC  

a fire in rome was supposedly blamed on christians

2019-11-05 19:54:06 UTC  

christians refused roman religious traditions such as sacrifice

2019-11-05 19:55:18 UTC  

To my knowledge, Christians blamed Nero for "fiddling" while Rome burned (he was a few miles away from Rome when the fire even happened IIRC), so the feeling was mutual if anything

2019-11-05 19:59:30 UTC  

Fucking Christians burning shit; should've left architectural and cultural destruction to the Muslims.

2019-11-05 20:05:31 UTC  

Doing a bit of research into it, the persecution of Christians is a tad overblown

2019-11-05 20:07:55 UTC  

oh no question that it gets exaggerated. much of history does

2019-11-05 20:08:14 UTC  

Quite a bit, in fact

2019-11-05 20:08:44 UTC  

Throwing Christians to the Lions either:
A) Didn't happen
B) Wasn't unique to Christians

2019-11-05 20:11:51 UTC  

I'm gonna go with the latter just to be sure, though I vaguely remember somebody making a case for the former in a book I read

2019-11-05 20:12:08 UTC  

the only Imperial persecution of Christians seemed to have occurred over the span of approximately....63 years, from 250 AD (when Decius administered an Edict because he was a superstitious fuck who wanted to beat the Goths) to about 313 AD (the Edict of Milan, which overruled Decius' edict and mandated that citizens treat Christians nicely)

2019-11-05 20:14:10 UTC  

though the case could be made that that period of solely persecuting Christians was far shorter, from 303 to 306, during the reign of Diocletian