Well I did say maybe and my position has moved more to it just being traditionalism that I was talking about

cheese

If not for originally acknowledging that ideologies will inevitably try to use the State to legislate morality, everything would be FAR worse

Remember: the 'diversity' which Europe is now struggling with is a mere fraction of the 'diversity' the US has ALWAYS had to deal with

yet, i'd say the US has fewer issues with the State destroying civil liberties

we can't get arrested for tweeting

The Founding fathers where woke on the ethical state for sure

not perfect mind you, but at least they saw the danger

I don't think they could have created something too much better

me neither; hindsight is 20/20

A lot of dangers are coming from things that you just couldn't have imagined ie social media which offers massive protentional for political mobilisation

Whereas before you'd have to physically organise people

and no matter how good the playbook, still comes down to the willness and ability of the people running the plays

Time as well

Give anyone enough time and they'll figure out how to subvert anything

Nanometre by nanometre if they have to

The one thing your ancestors were dead wrong about was freeing the slaves

truth; life isn't as simple as a rule book

lol

newsflash: UK freed FAR more slaves than the US

Slavery is a bane upon a society since it devaluates the labour of the working class and it should have been ended

our biggest mistake was allowing Lincoln

But freeing them and letting them remain in 'murica was a major mistake, one you're still paying the price for

he subverted the power of the States and forced the South to stay with the UNION

Slaves should have either been executed or exported back to the shithole they came from

if the South is allowed to secede, you don't have the racial issues

sure; and you pay for this how?

lincoln was right, its what came after it that was the problem, if america wasnt willing to accept the blacks then it should have returned them, peacefully.

Bullets are cheap, MA

nah, Lincoln didn't care

And they're slaves, you can make them build their own boats or something

he didn't goto war for slaves; he did so to satisfy his pride

he did it to save the union

The moral aspect of the civil war was just the justification really

Lincoln exiled two of his own senators for disagreeing with him

locked up 3000+ civilians that dare speak out against the war without trial or release

suspended Habias Corpus

Lincoln was the OG libtard

and destroying the rights of the States to hold power over their own affairs

The federalisation of the US is and has been a problem for a while now

the South wasn't worth the trouble