Message from @The Electric Lizard

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2019-10-22 17:05:45 UTC  

You don't need to recite the video

2019-10-22 17:05:48 UTC  

😉

2019-10-22 17:06:02 UTC  

My favourite aspect was the political one

2019-10-22 17:06:13 UTC  

Countries denying nuclear powered ships in their waters

2019-10-22 17:07:04 UTC  

True, but the same ships that refuel your fleet refuel your carrier @leavethisbotnet

2019-10-22 17:09:04 UTC  

Carriers do use up a lot of space for hanger and other stuff, you don't necessarily have to refuel the other ships as often as the carrier.

2019-10-22 17:09:47 UTC  

Food stores on a typical destroyer are a month

2019-10-22 17:09:50 UTC  

Same for the carrier

2019-10-22 17:10:46 UTC  

The Queen Elizabeth class has a longer range than her escorts anyway

2019-10-22 17:12:22 UTC  

A large fleet that wants to project power (One of the main reasons for a carrier anyway) will require a large auxiliary fleet already

2019-10-22 17:14:34 UTC  

If he pulls the bill what effect will that have?

2019-10-22 17:14:36 UTC  

My guess is, one of the major reasons is to minimize downtime during operations, since CVs are extremely important.

2019-10-22 17:14:58 UTC  

Don't quote me on this but I believe the downtime for a mid-life refueling is a couple years

2019-10-22 17:15:26 UTC  

@Hopix I assume it would essentially end the deal and he would support a GE instead

2019-10-22 17:15:35 UTC  

2 years for a sub and 3 for a carrier

2019-10-22 17:15:42 UTC  

"I believe the downtime for a mid-life refueling is a couple years"

2019-10-22 17:15:43 UTC  

😉

2019-10-22 17:15:46 UTC  

But that doesn't happen in the middle of military operation.

2019-10-22 17:15:50 UTC  

But we still extend?

2019-10-22 17:16:00 UTC  

I would imagine so

2019-10-22 17:16:00 UTC  

True, but it could happen before those operations occur

2019-10-22 17:16:11 UTC  

He needs opposition support for a GE

2019-10-22 17:16:16 UTC  

The ship could be in drydock during the start of the conflict

2019-10-22 17:16:23 UTC  

And the normally scheduled one is still years away

2019-10-22 17:16:35 UTC  

I don't see how he'll get a GE

2019-10-22 17:16:36 UTC  

You can plan the refuelling long ahead, and you can have plenty reserves to refuel years later if you absolutely need it now.

2019-10-22 17:16:41 UTC  

He won't @Hopix

2019-10-22 17:16:49 UTC  

That assumes you know when the conflict will start @leavethisbotnet

2019-10-22 17:17:11 UTC  

He would have to get a decent amount of opposition MP's to support him

2019-10-22 17:17:30 UTC  

It could happen after the 31st

2019-10-22 17:17:37 UTC  

The SNP already support a GE

2019-10-22 17:17:39 UTC  

The point is that the refuelling is controllable and outside of the operations area.

2019-10-22 17:18:12 UTC  

Labour could, possibly if Corbyn decides to follow his pledge to support a GE once the extension has been agreed

2019-10-22 17:18:19 UTC  

non-nuclear, chances are you're gonna have to stop to refuel mid operations

2019-10-22 17:18:26 UTC  

Diesel carriers also piss off enviromentalists so that is a plus

2019-10-22 17:18:34 UTC  

I don't think the Lib Dems or Greens will

2019-10-22 17:18:41 UTC  

You don't have to stop, the operation can continue while refuling occurs @leavethisbotnet

2019-10-22 17:18:45 UTC  

As it did in the Falklands conflict

2019-10-22 17:18:46 UTC  

Actually the Lib Dems could

2019-10-22 17:18:49 UTC  

nuclear refueling is strategic concern, whereas oil refuelling is tactical and operational concern