I disagree and think that things are worse than you make out

However historically self corrections were done by war

Focusing the country on one thing above all else

The vast majority of people are still civil and don't hate each other

However based on a liberal framework

Its only the zealots that are a problem

In the defence of Liberal ideas

Which is where we differ greatly

You believe we should go facist to have a correction and therefore defend facist beliefs

I believe that if an economic situation with China for example needs to happen. It should be fought protecting rights and Liberal beliefs

We need to start seeing Chinese influence as illiberal

Essentially

The problem with those liberal beliefs is that everyone has different beliefs. This server is a prime example of that.

There's morons in here who claim and believe all types of crap about China.

I can show them that they're wrong and that they are a threat, they STILL won't believe me.

Why should we care about the beliefs of those people?

Whom are clearly deluded.

The liberal ideas IS the problem when it comes to China.

Yes Nathan. However we have a load of different beliefs. Within the Liberal sphere right.

Therefore any attack on the platform of liberalism can be combated by a unity of those people with differing opinions.

Every day we squabble between eachother, China grows.

History has shown we can squabble but come together when required.

It's hard

But it happens.

And history has shown that when an enemy economically influences a country to gain power, they usually win.

It's exactly what the British, Spanish, Portugese empires did.

They're doing the exact same things to us.

Which is why I explained we need to start seeing their influence as illiberal

We already do

We have the same basic outcome of limiting Chinese influence

You want to do it different

I believe the current platform can be a used

You believe facism can

I certainly don't because it's quite evident that China already is influencing it to their benefit

Such as when Portugal veto'd EU regulation to prevent Chinese investment in strategic sectors then cited "aiding China."

Our platforms and systems you see as benefits, China sees as weakness

And is actively exploiting them.

Such as in Australia and now Europe.

You see I don't see that as a liberal action

I see that as illiberal

Which means the system that allows that based on the Liberal platform needs reforn

Not that the platform is sick