Message from @Jym

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2019-10-24 00:10:41 UTC  

That seems unlikely

2019-10-24 00:11:05 UTC  

It's also not a matter of the Twatter

2019-10-24 00:11:23 UTC  

But harassing employees etc.

2019-10-24 00:18:28 UTC  

No I meant a couple hundred million in that demographic. "Standing up to" Sam is not really my point but rather exposing Sam (or Joe or any number of others) to people outside of their culture is more the matter I was addressing. Harassing employers is really not that big a deal. I could likely go on Indeed and find a higher paying job in a month or two if it came to that. At that level skilled experienced personnel are valuable and Twitter mobs have a very short half-life.

2019-10-24 00:22:16 UTC  

Dude

2019-10-24 00:22:39 UTC  

People can lose their jobs if they don't watch out who they talk to, what they say, etc., in these talks

2019-10-24 00:23:00 UTC  

Peterson himself got severely harassed just because he gave one heartfelt speech

2019-10-24 00:23:23 UTC  

The door to his office was jammed shut

2019-10-24 00:23:39 UTC  

I'm not sure but didn't he also lose his job?

2019-10-24 00:24:18 UTC  

"Harassing employers is not a big deal" is just so wrong, it's just a terrible thing to say

2019-10-24 00:24:34 UTC  

As if people's livelihoods aren't dependent on that

2019-10-24 00:24:57 UTC  

Not everyone has the fortune of becoming a celebrity like Peterson and receiving a lot of donations

2019-10-24 00:25:13 UTC  

If you don't enjoy that privilege, then your life can fall apart

2019-10-24 00:25:35 UTC  

That's precisely why Harris worked for so long before he finally opened his mouth about the riskiest topics

2019-10-24 00:26:25 UTC  

And in fact, Peterson can still become homeless any day, he's not set for life at all, and he's not safe

2019-10-24 00:27:04 UTC  

Or take someone like Count Dankula

2019-10-24 00:27:11 UTC  

One video made him completely unemployable

2019-10-24 00:27:32 UTC  

It wasn't even political speech, he made a joke

2019-10-24 00:27:51 UTC  

One that actually mocks Nazis, and that was used to call him a Nazi

2019-10-24 00:28:40 UTC  

These real life consequences speak very clearly, public appearances and voicing political views are high risk low reward ventures for most people

2019-10-24 00:42:53 UTC  

I mean that is more of an issue if you *are* someone in the postgrad/100K club. Take like Bogossian. He's in trouble because his career is as an academic and academia is in that small club. I'm in heavy industry and XYZ mid-level industrial producer does not even *have* a PR department.

2019-10-24 00:43:55 UTC  

It's an issue at every level

2019-10-24 00:44:35 UTC  

Lindsay Shepherd is another example. She also has mouths to feed, if only her own, idk.

2019-10-24 00:45:20 UTC  

It's an open secret that certain papers are advised not to be published so as to not harm one's own career chances.

2019-10-24 00:45:25 UTC  

Lindsay's career *in academia*?

2019-10-24 00:45:39 UTC  

Generally, not just in academia

2019-10-24 00:45:50 UTC  

Employers don't want trouble, is this news for you?

2019-10-24 00:46:11 UTC  

Imagine having to feed several mouths

2019-10-24 00:46:18 UTC  

What risks are you willing to take?

2019-10-24 00:46:37 UTC  

It's easy enough to test. Any one of these people could put out a casting call for people who are in the demographic.

2019-10-24 00:46:44 UTC  

Oh please

2019-10-24 00:47:02 UTC  

I'll take your words seriously when you walk the walk

2019-10-24 00:48:43 UTC  

I'd go on any of those shows in a heartbeat.

2019-10-24 00:49:10 UTC  

What's your current occupation?

2019-10-24 00:49:19 UTC  

Do you have kids?

2019-10-24 00:49:26 UTC  

Just so I know what your risk is

2019-10-24 00:51:10 UTC  

I am in heavy industry. We build capital goods. I have been doing this for more than a decade.

2019-10-24 00:53:21 UTC  

So low risk in that regard, and no kids since you didn't mention it, so another low risk

2019-10-24 00:54:08 UTC  

So at least I wouldn't *not* recommend putting yourself out there, after all you don't have much to risk.
I'm only saying it's easy for you.

2019-10-24 00:55:04 UTC  

Other people don't have that privilege of being lone wolves or having low financial risk

2019-10-24 00:57:44 UTC  

It's not that uncommon. Look I can give you an example. I got celled here for posting a meme that was considered 'NSFW'. My *boss* thought it was funny and likely the *owner of the company* would have laughed at it. Because outside of academia very few people consider these things to be serious offenses. We are too busy making things that work.