Message from @Lêohte
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@Lêohte I do to an extent but like i said before my ideology is a process of Double Think
@Mr. Jesus Through every single agreement / law which the EU has made. We could have refused / veto'd any of those.
So you're a walking hypocrite?
Well now we've voted to leave, after years of being promised a vote and not being given one, so let's leave
Through our elected government.
The people WE vote in.
The ones WITH that power.
But we voted in parties which supported the EU.
@Lêohte I hold two opposing beliefs as equal
Hence WE allowed it to grow.
Weez, you overestimate the power those have.
Suppose Russia's democracy is solid too eh?
and now WE are telling it to get fucked
I accept most of that Weez, but now we want to get the fuck out of it, and there are legitimate reasons for doing so
@Weez no we didn't. Margaret Thatcher was kicked out after she started speaking up against the EU and they put in the puppet that was Major instead. Please learn some history.
Everyone was fed up of a conservative government after like over a decade and that is why blair got in.
What you are putting forward is such a twisted interpretation of what has happened.
Just because we allowed it to grow before does not mean we should continue allowing it to grow
We have a veto ability. We didn't use it. We weren't forced to sign anything, our elected officials chose to agree and sign all of it into power.
And what when the people want toe Government to veto something and they don't
@Weez Presenting it as we voted for the EU is disingenuous and is fundamentally dishonest.
Who forced us to sign EU laws into power? @Mr. Jesus
What if the State against the publics will agree to give away our Veto? @Weez
Who forced us to sign treaties?
Veto is not constructive, it is blocking. Its not like a functioning healthy broad democracy where they debate and create. The directors create behind closed doors, the MEPs just ask 'please sir can you rethink?'
When have the state and nation been congruent?
@Weez keep on distorting the truth and ignoring the nuance of the last 40 years of history.
MP's are opposing the will of their voters now
It's a simple question, were we forced to do those things against our will?
So what would stop them from just agreeing despite the public opposition to give away our Veto power
When were WE asked?
Did we have an alternative option in those events?
And in the previous referendums.
@Weez We never had a choice. As I said we weren't allowed a referendum and EU matters weren't in the public's mind.
Yes we had an option to exactly dictate treaties, ofcourse
Hes a jew
We just need to destroy the EU and try again
Dont bother
Ok now to race
"EU matters weren't in the public's mind." @Mr. Jesus You don't think about policies before voting in your party?