if you want a label

"your property is not your property" -communists

'Taking what business owners have worked for is not theft but paying workers agreed upon wages is theft'

theft is just whatever the people with the most guns decide it is

No it isn't

Theft has a pretty clear definition

Taking someone else's property

Who sets that definition? @The Electric Lizard

Is Theft

and what constitutes someone's property is decided by the people with the most guns

Society

or in older times people with the most horses

If a group of people with guns take property from those without it is theft

yeah but what makes it their property

They have proclaimed it to be theirs before others have

And have probably built things there

the fact that they were physically in possession of it?

what makes their claim legitimate? and what does it mean to "physically possess" something?

i mean do the koch brothers "physically possess" all of their oil wells?

They have said it before others have

if you are holding something, and I take it from you without your consent, that would be theft

What are you going to do about it?

Complain to the police?

holding something makes it your property?

Yes @Weez

Can't have them coming and violating my freedom by stopping me.

The State should only be maintained to keep the police and a justice system

Again, Minarchist State

The police violate freedom.

I thought you wanted to maximize freedoms?

I want Sane Maximum Freedom, That is why i am not an Anarchist

A society will fall into chaos without a justice system

A justice system reduces the freedom of everyone in that society

By restricting their actions

It's not infinite Freedom, It is as much freedom as possible while still maintaining an orderly and sane society

A reasonable society

the problem with the word freedom is that it doesn't really mean anything without some conception of the good by which conflicts are resolved

Freedom is simply the ability to do what you want

the "right" aisle of liberty generally approaches this by having some spook to rely on like transferable self ownership or whatever

It's just being able to do what you want

Can you own property? Then you have freedom