Message from @Drywa11

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2019-09-28 20:45:34 UTC  

Who installs it, and how?

2019-09-28 20:45:56 UTC  

Well in current society we could simply have a slow reform to it

2019-09-28 20:46:21 UTC  

I don't know, it doesn't seem to be happening

2019-09-28 20:46:31 UTC  

Reduced Laws and reduced government power, Increased Personal freedom can all be introduced overtime

2019-09-28 20:46:48 UTC  

Doing it all within a matter of days would of course not work

2019-09-28 20:47:04 UTC  

I'm actually concerned it will never happen if slow reform is the only valid option

2019-09-28 20:47:16 UTC  

Well it would be the only proper way

2019-09-28 20:47:21 UTC  

Why?

2019-09-28 20:47:39 UTC  

Imagine what would happen in the US if the government want from managing many things to just maintaining law and order

2019-09-28 20:47:45 UTC  

If the elected infringe on the rules, don't we have the right to stop them using force?

2019-09-28 20:47:52 UTC  

Yes

2019-09-28 20:48:19 UTC  

Civil unrest from an armed populace would prevent the officials from breaking the rules of the constitution

2019-09-28 20:48:27 UTC  

If public opinion is the only thing ultimately protecting against tyranny, then wouldn’t it be easier to limit a firm/individual than a government that is given the legitimacy to do things others aren’t allowed to?

2019-09-28 20:48:58 UTC  

So if the rules that would allow a civil uprising in case of rulebreaking don't exist yet, but we want them to exist, then we can't rise with force because the rules aren't in place yet, etc... it's a perpetual cycle

2019-09-28 20:49:17 UTC  

How do you mean? @Drywa11 I don't really understand your point.

2019-09-28 20:49:41 UTC  

I'll just give HK as an example

2019-09-28 20:49:52 UTC  

You don't need a rule in place for it at the start

2019-09-28 20:49:52 UTC  

The youth over there are fighting for democracy and direct rulership

2019-09-28 20:50:23 UTC  

They know that if China takes over in their lifetime (and that is a written agreement), it'll be game over for freedom

2019-09-28 20:50:37 UTC  

So what can they do besides using force to prevent this?

2019-09-28 20:50:50 UTC  

Wouldn’t ten agencies doing a governments work be easier to limit by the populace than one agency doing it all?

2019-09-28 20:50:57 UTC  

I am saying that the rules that could allow civil unrest to prevent tyranny could be brought in through a slow reform if a Libertarian Government ever took power

2019-09-28 20:50:57 UTC  

There's nothing, the status quo would just end freedom, by use of force or not

2019-09-28 20:51:27 UTC  

What if libertarians don't get into power because the democratic process is a matter of interests, not morals?

2019-09-28 20:51:41 UTC  

I'm sure you know justice is not a matter of interests, but ethics

2019-09-28 20:51:45 UTC  

@Drywa11 The agency would be the government, The Governments only job would be to maintain a justice system

2019-09-28 20:51:49 UTC  

(or rather should be)

2019-09-28 20:52:15 UTC  

@ETBrooD Well that would be a debate over the current system and not a Libertarian one

2019-09-28 20:52:21 UTC  

That's my point

2019-09-28 20:52:28 UTC  

The current system makes libertarianism impossible

2019-09-28 20:52:42 UTC  

I am arguing about how a system could work if the Libertarian's took power

2019-09-28 20:52:49 UTC  

Because the voting process is not about societal ethics, it's about personal interests

2019-09-28 20:52:51 UTC  

Not how they could take power

2019-09-28 20:53:02 UTC  

Not always

2019-09-28 20:53:05 UTC  

Well they won't take power, even in the US they never do

2019-09-28 20:53:08 UTC  

It depends on the person

2019-09-28 20:53:25 UTC  

If the people of a country wanted a Libertarian Government they could elect one

2019-09-28 20:53:33 UTC  

There is nothing stopping them

2019-09-28 20:53:35 UTC  

Yeah but they clearly don't care enough

2019-09-28 20:53:46 UTC  

They want gibs, not justice

2019-09-28 20:53:52 UTC  

That's not really something you can resolve