Message from @Drywa11
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Who installs it, and how?
Well in current society we could simply have a slow reform to it
I don't know, it doesn't seem to be happening
Reduced Laws and reduced government power, Increased Personal freedom can all be introduced overtime
Doing it all within a matter of days would of course not work
I'm actually concerned it will never happen if slow reform is the only valid option
Well it would be the only proper way
Why?
Imagine what would happen in the US if the government want from managing many things to just maintaining law and order
If the elected infringe on the rules, don't we have the right to stop them using force?
Yes
Civil unrest from an armed populace would prevent the officials from breaking the rules of the constitution
If public opinion is the only thing ultimately protecting against tyranny, then wouldn’t it be easier to limit a firm/individual than a government that is given the legitimacy to do things others aren’t allowed to?
So if the rules that would allow a civil uprising in case of rulebreaking don't exist yet, but we want them to exist, then we can't rise with force because the rules aren't in place yet, etc... it's a perpetual cycle
How do you mean? @Drywa11 I don't really understand your point.
I'll just give HK as an example
You don't need a rule in place for it at the start
The youth over there are fighting for democracy and direct rulership
They know that if China takes over in their lifetime (and that is a written agreement), it'll be game over for freedom
So what can they do besides using force to prevent this?
Wouldn’t ten agencies doing a governments work be easier to limit by the populace than one agency doing it all?
I am saying that the rules that could allow civil unrest to prevent tyranny could be brought in through a slow reform if a Libertarian Government ever took power
There's nothing, the status quo would just end freedom, by use of force or not
What if libertarians don't get into power because the democratic process is a matter of interests, not morals?
I'm sure you know justice is not a matter of interests, but ethics
@Drywa11 The agency would be the government, The Governments only job would be to maintain a justice system
(or rather should be)
@ETBrooD Well that would be a debate over the current system and not a Libertarian one
That's my point
The current system makes libertarianism impossible
I am arguing about how a system could work if the Libertarian's took power
Because the voting process is not about societal ethics, it's about personal interests
Not how they could take power
Not always
Well they won't take power, even in the US they never do
It depends on the person
If the people of a country wanted a Libertarian Government they could elect one
There is nothing stopping them
Yeah but they clearly don't care enough
They want gibs, not justice
That's not really something you can resolve