And any attempts at forcing it, eliminating the ability of peoples to pursue self-interest, is futile, ending with what we've observed time and again by ideologues believing they can.

To force people in harmony would require you to force each to forgo what is of interest to themselves.

I think there is also collective interest involved though too

Not in the commie way

But Nation vs Nation

And you should get them to work together

In sync

You can think of families as collectives, the child cannot pursue its own interests

And it’s not really beneficial for a parent to raise it

Now days

But people still have kids (although not as much)

Increasing women’s education reduced birth rates

And collectively when demographics implode that’s a bad thing I don’t see the market fixing

There is always a level of collective interest anywhere you go.

This is a given.

Well yeah, but I think that has more to do with women going into colleges

On a bigger rate

My trouble is how can we actually fight this. Even if we red pill people there are still thousands more being trafficked into our country that will mindlessly vote for the left

But also birth control

Immigration is a good example of collective interests fighting each other imo

But I don’t think we can at this point

Too many are let in they will not assimilate

Unless it’s violent

And thus keep to their own and vote for their own interests, and not those of Americans

I think north America and Europe are on a path of civil wars or being demographically destroyed

We are already on a route for both

Everyone can feel that

Most youtubers hint at it or say it outright

Well even on the ground, look at Oregon

Antifa vs conservatives

That kinda shit has been going on for years now

The left has gone more and more left wing

Snake, I would sway toward the side of replacing collective interest with mutual interest, but you can argue both are the one in the same, though collective insinuates a grander framework of collectivity in a sociopolitical discussion.

Can you get more specific?

I kinda know what you mean

https://i.imgur.com/68hJePf.jpg

I would argue mutual interests

Not forced by the state

Well, you and I may have a mutual interest of ensuring the weeds growing in our yard don't overtake and spread to one another's gardens, but that's quite different from elevating the nomenclature of collectivity. Mutual interests can be found all throughout the scales of human institution, and that's how common and civil council is to be pursued, a given, but States certainly shouldn't be authoritatively imposing the interests of some at the cost of others, and this also leads us to arguments for federalism, to distill government down to the lowest levels of state, then to district, to enable communities to govern themselves differently from those of their neighbors, say should one decide to increase taxation to fund some perceivable public good in one, without meddling in the affairs of the other.

I don’t think you need to have laws making people collectives, they do it on their own