Message from @Ironclad
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And if some people are in control of the output, then agreement can be manipulated.
So all the experts are wrong because you think peer review is bad?
All the contractionary evidence is stopped?
Scientists are people and get things wrong and data cannot be trusted?
My argument isn't that "all experts are wrong", where did I say that?
So what is your point?
My point is that the data input and output is under a very heavy political bias
In what way does that contradict global climate change?
When paid scientists have no incentive to produce correct results, but rather confirmation of predictions, then that is what they're going to do
Peer review is a laughing stock to anyone who has read about its colossal failure
I don't know how people even trust it anymore, honestly
So if peer reviews are so unreliable, doesn't that render them irrelevant?
Sure as hell does
How much climate research should therefore be discarded, what do you think?
It would be hard to tell.
But that doesn't mean the climate change research is wrong.
You're talking issues in reproducability
So, here's the thing about climate change: it happens. With us or without us, it happens. Freaking out about it's just stupid.
We can only tell right from wrong if the bias in peer review is eliminated
@Ironclad You're right, it does, but it is very clear that we have a effect on it too.
A very small effect. Did you know that fully a third of the carbon emissions of the world are from volcanos?
Science shows that our current atmosphere is predominantly a product of biological life. Our oxygen concentrations are a product of life
Is it so ridiculous that overwhelming evidence of humans impacting environment is true?
People's Veto aka Alternative Hypothesis has posted a few videos on this matter
'The Authoritarian View of Knowledge: Peer Review' and 'The Expertise of Experts'
https://www.youtube.com/user/fringeelements/videos?disable_polymer=1
Everything has an effect on the environment. The sun has an effect on the environment, the fucking moon, has a huge effect on the environment.
And that shit's haunted.
Should we do something about it? Well, we are doing something about it. The first thing we should do is to switch to nuclear energy.
@Ironclad Carbon emissions come from a variety of sources, the issue isn't having them at all, the issue is upsetting a balance. Volcanoes alone aren't causing climate change.
Yes
I misread your statement.
I apologize.
The point is that we can only do so much. Though, I'm down with carbon capture tech, because we can use that carbon for nanotubes and I'm 100% down with literally manufacturing supermaterials literally out of thin air.
Everything has an effect on the climate, but historically our environments are historically part of dynamic equilibriums changing through cycles.
We're upsetting the equilibrium, which has affects
I disagree.
"Is it so ridiculous that overwhelming evidence of humans impacting environment is true?"
No it's not ridiculous, I mean we solved the ozone hole and that was in essence the same issue as man-made climate change. So science does work more often than not.
I don't think we're upsetting the balance at all, I think it's just doing it's thing, as it's inclined to do. Unless you think we have weather machines, this shit was going to happen regardless.
We have solved the ozone hole, but we did not fix it.
It's still there
It's repairing SLOWLY
CFCs last from 40 years to thousands