Message from @Ironclad

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2019-09-26 03:12:43 UTC  

Your career will be ruined if you try.

2019-09-26 03:13:18 UTC  

So please, don't talk about "consensus on consensus" when that's just a self-perpetuating bias.

2019-09-26 03:13:33 UTC  

The truth doesn't care about how many people agree with it.

2019-09-26 03:14:04 UTC  

And if some people are in control of the output, then agreement can be manipulated.

2019-09-26 03:17:53 UTC  
2019-09-26 03:34:19 UTC  

So all the experts are wrong because you think peer review is bad?
All the contractionary evidence is stopped?
Scientists are people and get things wrong and data cannot be trusted?

2019-09-26 03:34:41 UTC  

My argument isn't that "all experts are wrong", where did I say that?

2019-09-26 03:34:52 UTC  

So what is your point?

2019-09-26 03:35:19 UTC  

My point is that the data input and output is under a very heavy political bias

2019-09-26 03:35:52 UTC  

In what way does that contradict global climate change?

2019-09-26 03:35:57 UTC  

When paid scientists have no incentive to produce correct results, but rather confirmation of predictions, then that is what they're going to do

2019-09-26 03:36:22 UTC  

Peer review is a laughing stock to anyone who has read about its colossal failure

2019-09-26 03:36:41 UTC  

I don't know how people even trust it anymore, honestly

2019-09-26 03:37:06 UTC  

So if peer reviews are so unreliable, doesn't that render them irrelevant?

2019-09-26 03:37:13 UTC  

Sure as hell does

2019-09-26 03:37:30 UTC  

How much climate research should therefore be discarded, what do you think?

2019-09-26 03:37:42 UTC  

It would be hard to tell.

2019-09-26 03:38:14 UTC  

But that doesn't mean the climate change research is wrong.

2019-09-26 03:38:22 UTC  

You're talking issues in reproducability

2019-09-26 03:38:58 UTC  

So, here's the thing about climate change: it happens. With us or without us, it happens. Freaking out about it's just stupid.

2019-09-26 03:39:09 UTC  

We can only tell right from wrong if the bias in peer review is eliminated

2019-09-26 03:40:56 UTC  

@Ironclad You're right, it does, but it is very clear that we have a effect on it too.

2019-09-26 03:41:26 UTC  

A very small effect. Did you know that fully a third of the carbon emissions of the world are from volcanos?

2019-09-26 03:41:33 UTC  

Science shows that our current atmosphere is predominantly a product of biological life. Our oxygen concentrations are a product of life

2019-09-26 03:42:05 UTC  

Is it so ridiculous that overwhelming evidence of humans impacting environment is true?

2019-09-26 03:42:34 UTC  

People's Veto aka Alternative Hypothesis has posted a few videos on this matter
'The Authoritarian View of Knowledge: Peer Review' and 'The Expertise of Experts'
https://www.youtube.com/user/fringeelements/videos?disable_polymer=1

2019-09-26 03:42:39 UTC  

Everything has an effect on the environment. The sun has an effect on the environment, the fucking moon, has a huge effect on the environment.

2019-09-26 03:42:48 UTC  

And that shit's haunted.

2019-09-26 03:43:20 UTC  

Should we do something about it? Well, we are doing something about it. The first thing we should do is to switch to nuclear energy.

2019-09-26 03:43:28 UTC  

@Ironclad Carbon emissions come from a variety of sources, the issue isn't having them at all, the issue is upsetting a balance. Volcanoes alone aren't causing climate change.

2019-09-26 03:43:38 UTC  

Yes

2019-09-26 03:43:52 UTC  

I misread your statement.

2019-09-26 03:43:54 UTC  

I apologize.

2019-09-26 03:44:45 UTC  

The point is that we can only do so much. Though, I'm down with carbon capture tech, because we can use that carbon for nanotubes and I'm 100% down with literally manufacturing supermaterials literally out of thin air.

2019-09-26 03:44:48 UTC  

Everything has an effect on the climate, but historically our environments are historically part of dynamic equilibriums changing through cycles.

2019-09-26 03:45:03 UTC  

We're upsetting the equilibrium, which has affects

2019-09-26 03:45:09 UTC  

I disagree.

2019-09-26 03:45:22 UTC  

"Is it so ridiculous that overwhelming evidence of humans impacting environment is true?"
No it's not ridiculous, I mean we solved the ozone hole and that was in essence the same issue as man-made climate change. So science does work more often than not.

2019-09-26 03:45:40 UTC  

I don't think we're upsetting the balance at all, I think it's just doing it's thing, as it's inclined to do. Unless you think we have weather machines, this shit was going to happen regardless.

2019-09-26 03:45:47 UTC  

We have solved the ozone hole, but we did not fix it.