Message from @Ironclad

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2019-09-26 03:36:41 UTC  

I don't know how people even trust it anymore, honestly

2019-09-26 03:37:06 UTC  

So if peer reviews are so unreliable, doesn't that render them irrelevant?

2019-09-26 03:37:13 UTC  

Sure as hell does

2019-09-26 03:37:30 UTC  

How much climate research should therefore be discarded, what do you think?

2019-09-26 03:37:42 UTC  

It would be hard to tell.

2019-09-26 03:38:14 UTC  

But that doesn't mean the climate change research is wrong.

2019-09-26 03:38:22 UTC  

You're talking issues in reproducability

2019-09-26 03:38:58 UTC  

So, here's the thing about climate change: it happens. With us or without us, it happens. Freaking out about it's just stupid.

2019-09-26 03:39:09 UTC  

We can only tell right from wrong if the bias in peer review is eliminated

2019-09-26 03:40:56 UTC  

@Ironclad You're right, it does, but it is very clear that we have a effect on it too.

2019-09-26 03:41:26 UTC  

A very small effect. Did you know that fully a third of the carbon emissions of the world are from volcanos?

2019-09-26 03:41:33 UTC  

Science shows that our current atmosphere is predominantly a product of biological life. Our oxygen concentrations are a product of life

2019-09-26 03:42:05 UTC  

Is it so ridiculous that overwhelming evidence of humans impacting environment is true?

2019-09-26 03:42:34 UTC  

People's Veto aka Alternative Hypothesis has posted a few videos on this matter
'The Authoritarian View of Knowledge: Peer Review' and 'The Expertise of Experts'
https://www.youtube.com/user/fringeelements/videos?disable_polymer=1

2019-09-26 03:42:39 UTC  

Everything has an effect on the environment. The sun has an effect on the environment, the fucking moon, has a huge effect on the environment.

2019-09-26 03:42:48 UTC  

And that shit's haunted.

2019-09-26 03:43:20 UTC  

Should we do something about it? Well, we are doing something about it. The first thing we should do is to switch to nuclear energy.

2019-09-26 03:43:28 UTC  

@Ironclad Carbon emissions come from a variety of sources, the issue isn't having them at all, the issue is upsetting a balance. Volcanoes alone aren't causing climate change.

2019-09-26 03:43:38 UTC  

Yes

2019-09-26 03:43:52 UTC  

I misread your statement.

2019-09-26 03:43:54 UTC  

I apologize.

2019-09-26 03:44:45 UTC  

The point is that we can only do so much. Though, I'm down with carbon capture tech, because we can use that carbon for nanotubes and I'm 100% down with literally manufacturing supermaterials literally out of thin air.

2019-09-26 03:44:48 UTC  

Everything has an effect on the climate, but historically our environments are historically part of dynamic equilibriums changing through cycles.

2019-09-26 03:45:03 UTC  

We're upsetting the equilibrium, which has affects

2019-09-26 03:45:09 UTC  

I disagree.

2019-09-26 03:45:22 UTC  

"Is it so ridiculous that overwhelming evidence of humans impacting environment is true?"
No it's not ridiculous, I mean we solved the ozone hole and that was in essence the same issue as man-made climate change. So science does work more often than not.

2019-09-26 03:45:40 UTC  

I don't think we're upsetting the balance at all, I think it's just doing it's thing, as it's inclined to do. Unless you think we have weather machines, this shit was going to happen regardless.

2019-09-26 03:45:47 UTC  

We have solved the ozone hole, but we did not fix it.

2019-09-26 03:45:49 UTC  

It's still there

2019-09-26 03:45:55 UTC  

It's repairing SLOWLY

2019-09-26 03:46:01 UTC  

CFCs last from 40 years to thousands

2019-09-26 03:46:09 UTC  

It's absolutely tiny now.

2019-09-26 03:46:12 UTC  

What I mean is that we solved the problem, it's going to close probably around 2075

2019-09-26 03:46:13 UTC  

Chile still gets tendrils of ozone hole pass it.

2019-09-26 03:46:17 UTC  

Look a Chile's skin cancer

2019-09-26 03:46:23 UTC  

It used to cover most of Australia, now I think it's a little thing over the ocean.

2019-09-26 03:46:50 UTC  

My issue is that it has been demonstrated that academia has been severely compromised. It's not that I don't want to trust them, it's that I can't.

2019-09-26 03:47:05 UTC  

It would at this point be unscientific to put complete trust in them.

2019-09-26 03:47:21 UTC  

And yet that still doesn't discount the current consensus

2019-09-26 03:47:30 UTC  

I think the skin cancer thing is more likely to be caused by granite than anything else.

2019-09-26 03:47:34 UTC  

Yes it does actually, because that is the main point of contention that I have