Message from @Ironclad

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2019-09-26 03:57:24 UTC  

Luckily world fertility is decreasing with nearly all developed nations below replacement rate

2019-09-26 03:59:42 UTC  

@Ironclad
"It's probably part of it, yeah, it could very well be a huge contributor. It damn sure isn't the sun, there are way sunnier places than Chile.
Especially given that Chile is a mountainous region."
The sun is radiating radiation constantly, the radiation the the ozone hole is unable to reduce is predominately UV-b in relation to skin cancer. During the polar vortex, the ozone hole in the southern hemisphere gets much much larger and tendrils of this hole pass over Chile. Some of the first health issues of ozone depletion was a surge in skin cancer of Chile.

2019-09-26 04:00:23 UTC  

Trying to find a video that shows it

2019-09-26 04:00:59 UTC  

This is the best I can find

2019-09-26 04:03:18 UTC  

Chile is 80% mountain range, so that means that most of the country is in the higher parts of the atmosphere, so there's less protection from the sun. A lot of them are volcanic or formerly volcanic, so there's another major contributing factor. Honestly, you're not going to find any single given factor, but the incredibly volcanic nature of it alone means that place probably causes your Geiger counter to go off.

2019-09-26 04:03:36 UTC  

They're more likely to live on the coast then on the top of a mountain

2019-09-26 04:04:09 UTC  

As if that means anything, you do realize that a mountain has a tremendous effect on the local environment, right?

2019-09-26 04:04:14 UTC  

It's odd that you think this is exclusively a granite issue

2019-09-26 04:04:26 UTC  

The hot granite radon release could have a part

2019-09-26 04:04:30 UTC  

I said it was probably a significant contributing factor.

2019-09-26 04:04:31 UTC  

But it would have been constant

2019-09-26 04:04:40 UTC  

Why would the skin cancer suddenly increasE?

2019-09-26 04:04:57 UTC  

Why specifically skin cancer and not lung cancer where these dusts and gases will enter your body?

2019-09-26 04:05:54 UTC  

Maybe they're doing some mining? Do you honestly think that humans are solely responsible for all of the environment's issues?

2019-09-26 04:06:46 UTC  

No singular factor is responsible for this. It can't be. And no amount of the west cleaning up will unfuck Asia.

2019-09-26 04:07:14 UTC  

That's why it's a global issue

2019-09-26 04:07:26 UTC  

Then talk to China and India. And good fucking luck.

2019-09-26 04:07:31 UTC  

But you can't just say
"Oh well those two are a bigger issue so I won't take any part in this"

2019-09-26 04:07:42 UTC  

You're right

2019-09-26 04:07:43 UTC  

I can, actually.

2019-09-26 04:07:45 UTC  

It's a big issue

2019-09-26 04:07:49 UTC  

Actually yes we can say that, because we're not the ones causing the damage

2019-09-26 04:07:55 UTC  

I can totally do that. Especially because people won't fucking switch to nuclear.

2019-09-26 04:08:01 UTC  

^

2019-09-26 04:08:09 UTC  

I agree with nuclear, it's dumb we don't want it at all

2019-09-26 04:08:20 UTC  

Nuclear generators are not nuclear warheads

2019-09-26 04:08:26 UTC  

Right, so

2019-09-26 04:08:34 UTC  

Why do climatologists not propose more nuclear then?

2019-09-26 04:08:46 UTC  

Why do they not tell Germany to stop dismantling them?

2019-09-26 04:09:12 UTC  

Probably because they're in somebody's pocket or ideologically predisposed to dislike nuclear energy.

2019-09-26 04:09:12 UTC  

I can tell you why, it's because it's dogmatic

2019-09-26 04:09:27 UTC  

Probably coal energy

2019-09-26 04:09:32 UTC  

They know it's better and safer after looking at the numbers, they have an incentive not to speak up about it

2019-09-26 04:09:40 UTC  

That incentive is financial and political

2019-09-26 04:10:17 UTC  

My uncle works in the environmental sector, he has studied these things

2019-09-26 04:10:26 UTC  

He has worked on a windmill concept that was rejected

2019-09-26 04:10:52 UTC  

When I addressed the issue of nuclear and I said that I think it might be a solution

2019-09-26 04:11:04 UTC  

He didn't say a word, and I was surprised, because I thought he would argue against it

2019-09-26 04:11:14 UTC  

1-2 years later I know why he didn't

2019-09-26 04:13:09 UTC  

That said, I don't see the issue with continuing to use carbon production if it means we can convert it using capture systems, but we'd have to get California to stop shitting in the streets, and that's asking too much.