Message from @Ironclad

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2019-09-26 04:10:26 UTC  

He has worked on a windmill concept that was rejected

2019-09-26 04:10:52 UTC  

When I addressed the issue of nuclear and I said that I think it might be a solution

2019-09-26 04:11:04 UTC  

He didn't say a word, and I was surprised, because I thought he would argue against it

2019-09-26 04:11:14 UTC  

1-2 years later I know why he didn't

2019-09-26 04:13:09 UTC  

That said, I don't see the issue with continuing to use carbon production if it means we can convert it using capture systems, but we'd have to get California to stop shitting in the streets, and that's asking too much.

2019-09-26 04:13:31 UTC  

Plastic straw bans are the solution now for real

2019-09-26 04:13:42 UTC  

How can anyone even come up with this

2019-09-26 04:13:55 UTC  

You know that plastic isn't biodegradable right?

2019-09-26 04:14:13 UTC  

I do know that, and I'm doing what I can to reduce plastic in my daily use

2019-09-26 04:14:13 UTC  

It kind of just accumulates

2019-09-26 04:14:19 UTC  

Cool

2019-09-26 04:14:26 UTC  

The issue is

2019-09-26 04:14:38 UTC  

I've looked at the numbers after some people in the other channels told me about the reality of the situation

2019-09-26 04:15:00 UTC  

Once again, Europe leads in being the cleanest westernized continent in regards to plastic

2019-09-26 04:15:08 UTC  

It's many times cleaner than Asia

2019-09-26 04:16:06 UTC  

Plastic straws cause less overall pollution, due to the manufacturing processes being cleaner. Being cleaner than Asia is like saying your room is cleaner because it doesn't look like a junk yard.

2019-09-26 04:16:14 UTC  

Even if we did everything we could, we would not stop this level of pollution

2019-09-26 04:16:29 UTC  

That said, recycling is the answer to the straws problem.

2019-09-26 04:16:55 UTC  

The west has a "it's my fault" problem right now

2019-09-26 04:16:59 UTC  

And this seriously needs to stop

2019-09-26 04:17:01 UTC  

If I ever go to ~~Commifornia~~ California, I'm gonna bring my own goddamn straw.

2019-09-26 04:17:16 UTC  

We're going for less than ideal solutions that cause new problems

2019-09-26 04:17:28 UTC  

And ultimately we're not addressing the elephant in the room

2019-09-26 04:18:12 UTC  

Our politics are being derailed with the green debate

2019-09-26 04:18:18 UTC  

How so?

2019-09-26 04:18:23 UTC  

If you're not a dogmatic believer you might not get elected

2019-09-26 04:18:40 UTC  

dogmatic believer of what?

2019-09-26 04:18:42 UTC  

Well, right now I'd say it's being derailed by impeaching Trump, but that's gonna be an absolute joke.

2019-09-26 04:18:43 UTC  

Climate change?

2019-09-26 04:18:44 UTC  

It's ridiculous, we're not solving our own problems because of something that we're not even causing

2019-09-26 04:19:09 UTC  

The dogmatic belief that we in the west can save the planet

2019-09-26 04:20:05 UTC  

A dogmatic believer that we should destroy our civilization to "protect the world/environment". We can save the planet, sure, but we'll have to do some thing people aren't a big fan of. Namely: kicking China and India in the dick until they stop polluting.

2019-09-26 04:20:32 UTC  

You're right that we're being derailed from what is significant.
We're lied to and manipulated.

No the west cannot save the planet. The issue is getting a world wide consensus on action. Nobody want to be the first and only.
The developing countries will never agree to controls if it damages their economic progress.

2019-09-26 04:20:52 UTC  

And they shouldn't

2019-09-26 04:21:04 UTC  

They need to develop, otherwise how are they going to address anything so meaningful as climate change

2019-09-26 04:21:12 UTC  

Exactly the issue

2019-09-26 04:21:20 UTC  

We absolutely can if we get use the big stick. We shouldn't use the big stick, because it's unethical. China has developed, they just don't give a shit.

2019-09-26 04:21:38 UTC  

I mean, their solution for people killing themselves was to put nets on the outside of their building.

2019-09-26 04:21:54 UTC  

Not improving the workplace.

2019-09-26 04:22:03 UTC  

Was that in China? I'm not sure

2019-09-26 04:22:06 UTC  

They do not give a single solitary fuck.