hatred started in 1890s

like, absolute worst hatred

with invasion and conquest of korea

eh not rly

because that was just another war

China hates japan because of the war crimes

not because of the other invasions

because they literally wiped cities off of the map

For the most part, they hate Japan for the War Crimes in the 1930s

yeah

exactly

fair enuf

they didnt truly hate eachother until then

yeah, they fought

but that's not hatred

It wasn't long-lasting hatred, to our knowledge

because japan was also heavily influenced by China since ancient times

its not the deep seeded propagandistic, total war level hatred is what you're saying

no, it's folly to call it hatred

it's not like france vs germany

u cannot use european models in east asia

China was literally the center of Asia forever, and every surrounding nation was its bitch

with a few exceptions during certain times

it would be more like sweden vs russia

like mongolians, and japan that 1 time

and ofc you can use european models lol

~~The Japs used Bone Arrows until they met the Chinese~~

(until modern times)

japan and china had a war in the 1600s

yeah i know

that 1 time

but that's the exception

japan didnt kowtow to china

not the rule

this was after japan had been in chaos for over a century (sengoku jidai) and china couldn't control it

it did for most of it's history : P

again

im not denying that they fought

pre sengoku history?

they were an isolationist empire and couldnt care less about the chinks lol

Luci it kinda did kowtow to China tbf