yeah, but the hatred didnt start in the industrial era

Trotsky, ok, i retract that

is the argument that japan started the hatred?

again, you're arguing over minor shit

no

im sure there were incidents of hatred in ancient times

The argument is that japan and china really hated eachother since medieval times

im saying it started in the 30's

just going off probability

suffice to say

japs are based

No no , british

chinks are worthless

they are saying

they had a nationalistic hatred of eachother since medieval times

hatred started in 1890s

like, absolute worst hatred

with invasion and conquest of korea

eh not rly

because that was just another war

China hates japan because of the war crimes

not because of the other invasions

because they literally wiped cities off of the map

For the most part, they hate Japan for the War Crimes in the 1930s

yeah

exactly

fair enuf

they didnt truly hate eachother until then

yeah, they fought

but that's not hatred

It wasn't long-lasting hatred, to our knowledge

because japan was also heavily influenced by China since ancient times

its not the deep seeded propagandistic, total war level hatred is what you're saying

no, it's folly to call it hatred

it's not like france vs germany

u cannot use european models in east asia

China was literally the center of Asia forever, and every surrounding nation was its bitch

with a few exceptions during certain times

it would be more like sweden vs russia

like mongolians, and japan that 1 time

and ofc you can use european models lol