cause only other acdemics tell them if they are wrong or not; its hard to do that if you circuit or bridge just doesn't work

@Ϻ14ᛟ yes, I have Elon musk mentioning it, on my phone

He had a rather odd tweet about his socialism

and if he is wrong, he can always blame those collecting the field data for not telling him everything

@ManAnimal - People get obsessed with how the world "should" be, and let perfect become the enemy of good. When people say that socialism is superior to capitalism, they're exactly right.

That does not mean we should attempt it, under any circumstance, because the consequences for failure are far too great and we don't currently have a governance system anywhere on Earth that could handle such a system without total chaos erupting.

```Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national.```
-Adolf Hitler

will the real lucienne please stand up

Experts have a vested interest to be the smartest person in the room and you relying on their expertise

doesn't lend itself to honesty

Our German ancestors held certain lands in common.
Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property

There is simply no evidence theoretical nor empherical to support that claim

he's wrong

well on the current definition

soclaism is not superior to capitalism

there is literally nothing wrong with cooperative ownership

you're allowed to do that

what is ownership?

again, you aren't adressing the real world meaning and implication

'means of production'; what is this? where can i find it?

@ManAnimal - A perfect "socialist" system, would just take the current system and begin changing every business decision to account for social welfare, economic externalities, and long term stability. In theory, that would be ten times better than what we have.

Problem is, government bureaucrats would fuck it up SUPER hard.

They always do. Government is the weak link in a socialist system.

Utilities and natural monopolies shouldn't be under private ownership, because it leads too easily to corruption and exploitation. But anything else should be private

Describe ths 'perfect socialist system.

@n meowzers Are you saying he is wrong that Socialism doesn't repudiate private property? Because he isn't. Especially in his time. Socialism as a political theory existed before Marx. The type of Socialists we see nowadays on "the left" (even if they're only LARPing a socialists but actually NeoLiberals) are Marxists.

show me a schematic or design

i can show you one of 'perfect capitalism'

how would your system function?

socialists believe in the freeing of the workers as a class, which means all private property becomes government

not just some

what does that mean?

it's a description in terms of capitalism

what it is NOT

rather than what it IS

It means you own nothing, everything is a tentative privilege that can be revoked for any reason

@Ϻ14ᛟ good quote

@ManAnimal - It wouldn't be too much different from what we have now, except business decisions would take more factors into account and financial transfers would be regularly made to account for externalities in business operation. Social welfare would become a factor too.

All pollution-heavy businesses would begin accounting for healthcare costs in the price of production.

what is a worker or class in a communist system?

Which is why I say fuck socialism

Socialism would also begin moving towards the construction of arcologies.

who knows mananimal

whoever they decide

they want everyone to be the same class