Message from @ManAnimal
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@Ϻ14ᛟ Im not disagreing but I find it funny how you can always tell if someones power level is that high by the name and pfp
always has a rune or some shit
Fucking boomer
the point is the engineer finds a solution when they are given a problem
the physist doesn't solve problems
Jokes on you I conceal my power level
at least not problems that he hasn't thought of himself
I think
@Reprehensibletrash ignoring that I was saying why it works in their theory, they ignore crucial data that would make it fail. I never said it works, I'm explaining why the idiots think it does
@randomNPCno3 - People can't seem to accept what I'm saying: Just because something is theoretically possible or sound, that does not in any sense of the word mean we should try it in real life.
@Ϻ14ᛟ tbh there was very little socialism in use, which is mostly why it was so successful
his test of 'correct' or not is rarely reality
@Reprehensibletrash It was just pre-Marxist socialism ideas when it came to the aspects that were socialist. Hitler even had a quote about Marxists stealing the meaning of the word Socialist
it's why academics are first to go off the rails with crazy ideas that don't work
@randomNPCno3 and you lose absolutely all sense to anyone who isn't a socialist, when you say this. If you wanna walk around with your head up your ass, please do
Implementing socialism is like throwing someone with a PhD in Physics into an NFL game and expecting that he won't get slammed on his ass by a three hundred pound black guy who can barely read.
Sure, he understands the physics, but it's the implementation that matters.
We'll call it the new socialist theory @randomNPCno3
cause only other acdemics tell them if they are wrong or not; its hard to do that if you circuit or bridge just doesn't work
@Ϻ14ᛟ yes, I have Elon musk mentioning it, on my phone
He had a rather odd tweet about his socialism
and if he is wrong, he can always blame those collecting the field data for not telling him everything
@ManAnimal - People get obsessed with how the world "should" be, and let perfect become the enemy of good. When people say that socialism is superior to capitalism, they're exactly right.
That does not mean we should attempt it, under any circumstance, because the consequences for failure are far too great and we don't currently have a governance system anywhere on Earth that could handle such a system without total chaos erupting.
```Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national.```
-Adolf Hitler
will the real lucienne please stand up
Experts have a vested interest to be the smartest person in the room and you relying on their expertise
doesn't lend itself to honesty
Our German ancestors held certain lands in common.
Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property
There is simply no evidence theoretical nor empherical to support that claim
he's wrong
well on the current definition
soclaism is not superior to capitalism
there is literally nothing wrong with cooperative ownership
you're allowed to do that
what is ownership?
again, you aren't adressing the real world meaning and implication
'means of production'; what is this? where can i find it?
@ManAnimal - A perfect "socialist" system, would just take the current system and begin changing every business decision to account for social welfare, economic externalities, and long term stability. In theory, that would be ten times better than what we have.
Problem is, government bureaucrats would fuck it up SUPER hard.
They always do. Government is the weak link in a socialist system.
Utilities and natural monopolies shouldn't be under private ownership, because it leads too easily to corruption and exploitation. But anything else should be private
Describe ths 'perfect socialist system.
@n meowzers Are you saying he is wrong that Socialism doesn't repudiate private property? Because he isn't. Especially in his time. Socialism as a political theory existed before Marx. The type of Socialists we see nowadays on "the left" (even if they're only LARPing a socialists but actually NeoLiberals) are Marxists.
show me a schematic or design