well on the current definition

soclaism is not superior to capitalism

there is literally nothing wrong with cooperative ownership

you're allowed to do that

what is ownership?

again, you aren't adressing the real world meaning and implication

'means of production'; what is this? where can i find it?

@ManAnimal - A perfect "socialist" system, would just take the current system and begin changing every business decision to account for social welfare, economic externalities, and long term stability. In theory, that would be ten times better than what we have.

Problem is, government bureaucrats would fuck it up SUPER hard.

They always do. Government is the weak link in a socialist system.

Utilities and natural monopolies shouldn't be under private ownership, because it leads too easily to corruption and exploitation. But anything else should be private

Describe ths 'perfect socialist system.

@n meowzers Are you saying he is wrong that Socialism doesn't repudiate private property? Because he isn't. Especially in his time. Socialism as a political theory existed before Marx. The type of Socialists we see nowadays on "the left" (even if they're only LARPing a socialists but actually NeoLiberals) are Marxists.

show me a schematic or design

i can show you one of 'perfect capitalism'

how would your system function?

socialists believe in the freeing of the workers as a class, which means all private property becomes government

not just some

what does that mean?

it's a description in terms of capitalism

what it is NOT

rather than what it IS

It means you own nothing, everything is a tentative privilege that can be revoked for any reason

@Ϻ14ᛟ good quote

@ManAnimal - It wouldn't be too much different from what we have now, except business decisions would take more factors into account and financial transfers would be regularly made to account for externalities in business operation. Social welfare would become a factor too.

All pollution-heavy businesses would begin accounting for healthcare costs in the price of production.

what is a worker or class in a communist system?

Which is why I say fuck socialism

Socialism would also begin moving towards the construction of arcologies.

who knows mananimal

whoever they decide

they want everyone to be the same class

how do you have business under communism?

marxists/communsits at least

and socialism implies that

you don't have businesses

@ManAnimal you don't

I want everyone to be dirty hippies

again, lots of hand waving

exactly random

Bullets go through more if them that way

@ManAnimal - You don't. You just get to be a manager for a state owned business.

Theoretically you could get better managers that way. In practice, government fucks it up.

manager of what?

Tell me, what happens after communism?