Message from @randomNPCno3

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2019-07-16 04:08:56 UTC  

Nothing about socialism says one person can't live in a fucking castle while another person lives in a small one bedroom apartment.

2019-07-16 04:09:18 UTC  

It doesn't just not work in reality, Marx and Engels themselves state it is impossible to get socialism to function. Third fucking page of the communist manifesto

2019-07-16 04:09:21 UTC  

socialsim isn't communism; economy vs governance

2019-07-16 04:09:31 UTC  

The fundamental problem to socialism is government competence.

It's such a glaring problem that anyone who understands a thing about government in practice will laugh their ass off when some NEET suggests that socialism will fix everything.

2019-07-16 04:09:41 UTC  

There's a reason it's viewed as the eternal revolution

2019-07-16 04:09:43 UTC  

@Reprehensibletrash circles can have corners in theory if you never take it off paper

2019-07-16 04:09:45 UTC  

i disagree

2019-07-16 04:10:01 UTC  

because you can't tell me how socialism would work in terms of ITSELF

2019-07-16 04:10:10 UTC  

only can tell me what it is NOT

2019-07-16 04:10:19 UTC  

that isnt' a definition

2019-07-16 04:10:25 UTC  

@Vir Are you referring to Yukio Mishima?

2019-07-16 04:10:29 UTC  

Jesus, you don't get it.

Exactly like capitalism, but the state owns everything.

That's the ONLY fucking difference.

2019-07-16 04:10:32 UTC  

@randomNPCno3 boundaries and corners aren't the same thing

2019-07-16 04:10:36 UTC  

@ManAnimal socialism is one party control of all revenue streams

2019-07-16 04:10:42 UTC  

not exactly like capitalism

2019-07-16 04:11:05 UTC  

That way the state can readily reallocate resources and account for externalities in business decisions, because in every decision the state eats all the externalities whether positive or negative.

2019-07-16 04:11:06 UTC  

cause it wouldn't be driven by capital interests but by social interests

2019-07-16 04:11:14 UTC  

it would be fundamentally different

2019-07-16 04:11:28 UTC  

people wouldn't have the same motivation to work for a livng

2019-07-16 04:11:34 UTC  

Not currently but I have somewhat read up on that, right now its Carlo Michelstaedter, he partially inspired Evola @Ϻ14ᛟ

2019-07-16 04:11:40 UTC  

@Reprehensibletrash I said corners for a reason. Paper math works on paper but not always in the real world , same for socialism. Works only paper ONLY

2019-07-16 04:11:44 UTC  

or take on more risk

2019-07-16 04:11:57 UTC  

@Arthur Grayborn interesting that you don't have a single example of such a system, yet claim to know the inner workings

2019-07-16 04:11:57 UTC  

@ManAnimal - Why do people work for a living now?

Why should anyone at Walmart give a damn if they don't own the corporation?

Simple: They get fucking paid.

2019-07-16 04:12:20 UTC  

so they can earn capital and use that capital to p urchase what the want and need

2019-07-16 04:12:35 UTC  

they work and get what they want

2019-07-16 04:12:53 UTC  

no work? no house no food

2019-07-16 04:12:58 UTC  

Implying that the same would not be true under socialism.

2019-07-16 04:13:06 UTC  

@randomNPCno3 imagine if AOC wrote in the first three pages of the green new deal, that her ideas are completely asinine and non-functional. Would you still consider it to work in theory...?

2019-07-16 04:13:11 UTC  

No work, no house or food.

Work harder, get nicer house and better food.

2019-07-16 04:13:13 UTC  

but it isn't a discrete

2019-07-16 04:13:18 UTC  

Because that's literally how Engels and Marx wrote it

2019-07-16 04:13:38 UTC  

They admit the complete lack of even theoretical function

2019-07-16 04:13:39 UTC  

8 hrs as a doctor isn't 8 hrs as a mcdonalds employee

2019-07-16 04:13:49 UTC  

Yeah, exactly.

2019-07-16 04:13:57 UTC  

@Reprehensibletrash no, her plansl look like they were written by a child. She shouldn't be in government

2019-07-16 04:14:03 UTC  

Under socialism doctors could still have mini-mansions while McDonalds employees live in small apartments.

2019-07-16 04:14:10 UTC  

so... again, if they are the same then why work?

2019-07-16 04:14:40 UTC  

and if they aren't the same salary who determines who makes what?

2019-07-16 04:14:54 UTC  

who gets to determein value

2019-07-16 04:15:02 UTC  

I agree with that opinion, but that doesn't really answer the question. If the writer themselves admits they're defying all reality, how can you take their theory as even practical on paper?