so they can earn capital and use that capital to p urchase what the want and need

they work and get what they want

no work? no house no food

Implying that the same would not be true under socialism.

@randomNPCno3 imagine if AOC wrote in the first three pages of the green new deal, that her ideas are completely asinine and non-functional. Would you still consider it to work in theory...?

No work, no house or food.

Work harder, get nicer house and better food.

but it isn't a discrete

Because that's literally how Engels and Marx wrote it

They admit the complete lack of even theoretical function

8 hrs as a doctor isn't 8 hrs as a mcdonalds employee

Yeah, exactly.

@Reprehensibletrash no, her plansl look like they were written by a child. She shouldn't be in government

Under socialism doctors could still have mini-mansions while McDonalds employees live in small apartments.

so... again, if they are the same then why work?

and if they aren't the same salary who determines who makes what?

who gets to determein value

I agree with that opinion, but that doesn't really answer the question. If the writer themselves admits they're defying all reality, how can you take their theory as even practical on paper?

@ManAnimal - That's such an incredible straw man, it's not even funny. Socialism does not mean economic equality. It does not mean that McDonalds burger flippers and highly trained doctors are going to have the same exact housing and food budget.

The problem in socialism is that government bureaucrats would fuck it all up. They always do. Always.

it wasnt a man of any kind

@Reprehensibletrash - Who the fuck says I'm even considering Marx or Engels?

Socialism fails because they try to create objective facts out of arbitrary values

@Vir ah hadn't actually heard of him. I haven't read as much Traditionalist literature as I have Fascist since it incorporates a lot of the good ideas traditionalism has into it most of the time anyway.

they were QUESTIONS

@Arthur Grayborn notice how I wasn't tagging you

That's because I wasn't talking to you

burrecrats doing what?

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read Evola if you havent its wacky and borderline crazy a lot of the time

but id you look past that

the base ideas are atleast interesting

@randomNPCno3 - Socialism fails because when you replace corporate management with government management, the result is always a shitshow. Government competence is so rare, that we only really use the government in cases where contractors and privatization would be even worse.

the problem with theory or acedemics is they think they know how something works but once the take so mething apart, there are SO many pieces they don't know what they do

Holy shit, it's almost like you should've just kept the government as a method of regulating the companies

what is management though?

Fucking hell

@ManAnimal - It's because academics rely on certain assumptions for their theory to work.

"If we have the government run everything, things will be so much better?"

They never bother to ask: "...but what if the government isn't competent, and you've just given them control of the entire food supply?"

these are blanket terms that completely change meaning when you change the system the operate under

If a socialist tried to make a cake, they'd reverse engineer fecal matter into batter. Fucking hell you idiots think backwards

governement never even in the USSR ran everthing

they manage everthing

they direct