Message from @Lucienne d'Anwyl
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and it too was kinda successful, in a way
the seljuks becme the ottomans you know right?
it's called deterence
Im pretty sure
the crusade of varna was an unfortunate defeat but the prior crusades gave europe the time it needed to not be so wek
the ottomans weren't even around
again, we in the West USED to understand this
the seljuks
for the earlt crusades
ARE
the ottomans
the first crusde
Not really
the frankish knights
crushed the seljuks
if you give the bully a bloody nose, he tends to leave you alone
the seljuks took forever to recover
if you let him hassle you, you get hassled more
muslims understand this
were halted
we have forgotten
likewise
The Mongols hurt the Caliphate far more then the crusades ever did tbh
fighting the arabs on their own turf
prevented them from invading europe
as an aside
well, 'fighting' and 'exploiting' are different
@Tonight at 11 - DOOM youre forgetting the norman conquest of sicily
I'm not forgetting
It's not that I don't get the benifit of death, it's that you don't get the benifit of reform
this does not go against my point
at least not very much
Get them fighting each other. They stop fighting us.
Blood can only be repaid with more blood
the Khans deleted Baghdad, lol
the khans deleted a lot of people
yes
true
including the mudslimes