That line of thinking mentioned before is what leads to war

indeed

ww1 wasnt caused by nationalism (well not german nationalism anyway)

Nationlism doesn't lead to war, and federalism doesn't prevent war

it was just a consequence

yeah

I don't think it does

@Eccles your smart

I'm arguing against 2k who thinks it does

can you teach me to be human

If he believes that then he's had too much fucking Ouzo

The point is that he says hes against nationalism while being a nationalist for the EU

the EU f*cked his country over

And making statements about contending with China and the US on the world stage

Which is literally what he is complaining about nationalism for

EU: take in a shit load of immigrants and dont complain unless you're a racists

Greece: mmmkay mom

The logic goes "Germany was nationalist. Germany caused ww2. Germany is the only nationalist country ever to exist. QED nationlism leads to war. EU is federalist. EU has not caused any wars. EU is the only federation ever to exist. QED federalism leads to peace"

No that's not it

It goes like this

thats a terribly brainwashed way of thinking isnt it?

Nationalism caused WW1 and WW2

the logic anyway

Nationalism is bad

Therefor no nation should be nationalist

thats stupid

Brainwashed? No, just contains a logical fallacy that is normally skipped when it's fed as a soundbite

ive never met someone who thinks like that

Support the EU to prevent war

*chews on some bamboo shoots*

If you've heard someone claim nationalism causes war, or EU has created peace, then they've made the same logical fallacy

it sounds like 1984

And then it starts with the pro EU nationalism

being honest

I can't really think of any examples on the spot

I'm new to this debate

By all means be pro-EU - just be honest about it

so im online when reasonable people are hmmm

why cant this always happen

Not living in the EU

sometimes i talk to nazis