ah

I agree with that

so he is brainwashed

f*ck the EU and f%ck the UN

both are things that dont do the job right

His arguments are actually NPC as in universally used by people of that ilk

That's why whenever "repatriate law making powers" is brought up, the argument "what laws have they passed that has harmed you" is brought up

The answer is "doesn't matter"

But the argument is a pro-Eu npc meme

The EU SHOULD NEVER, NEVER endanger a nations sovereignty

I don't buy that he is under the delusion that the nation states are still sovereign

Because

He constantly draws the conversation back to the economy

"We should not murder x" - "Why not, what has x ever done to help you?"

"Thou shalt not murder"

I very strongly agree with Red Panda

What I constantly bring up when debating 2k and PEP is

Yes, Samaritan, most pro-EU types divert back to the economy, yet don't want to consider the economy is the wider term of globalism and sustainability

I see it as a red herring

He doesn't actually care about the economy

To that obsessed extent

Its why I ask him why he isn't for removing minimum wage and removing the cap on maximum work hours

he just points it out because thats the one thing the EU can do for a nation that MIGHT be good

No

He sees it as the opposite

What the nation can do for the EU

WHAT?

LIKE THE JFK THING?

For the EU model to work economically would require putting in a right-wing tory government and scrapping most welfare

thats meant for your own state ffs

The EU is the sovereign and the states are just parts of it

I disagree

I don't think that

Its what I think he thinks

for real?

Going by how he acts

I don't think he thinks that

It's what what he thinks -means- but he won't admit it

None of the pro-EU types will admit it

thats like the USSR

because they know if they admit it, they've conceded the sovereignty argument