at least Christians mean well

Well pro-EU types may well mean well

PEP doesn't care about the EU making 75% of UK laws because ultimately he sees himself as part of the EU first and the UK second the way an American might see his state and federal government

thats kinda sad

He already acts as if the EU is a federal state

no that IS sad

wtf

He doesn't recognise how mass immigration is a problem, how globalism isn't sustainable, and why people might have been upset by the direction of the last 25 years

wait

what

for real?

man he's out of touch

I assume he sees the UK trying to leave the EU the way an American sees Texas or California trying to secede

No

He doesn't see them as independent nations

He's fully aware EU and USA are not comparable in that way

He believes the delusion nation states in the EU are still sovereign

(he is no different to most pro-EU types, the programming is identical)

ah

I agree with that

so he is brainwashed

f*ck the EU and f%ck the UN

both are things that dont do the job right

His arguments are actually NPC as in universally used by people of that ilk

That's why whenever "repatriate law making powers" is brought up, the argument "what laws have they passed that has harmed you" is brought up

The answer is "doesn't matter"

But the argument is a pro-Eu npc meme

The EU SHOULD NEVER, NEVER endanger a nations sovereignty

I don't buy that he is under the delusion that the nation states are still sovereign

Because

He constantly draws the conversation back to the economy

"We should not murder x" - "Why not, what has x ever done to help you?"

"Thou shalt not murder"

I very strongly agree with Red Panda

What I constantly bring up when debating 2k and PEP is

Yes, Samaritan, most pro-EU types divert back to the economy, yet don't want to consider the economy is the wider term of globalism and sustainability

I see it as a red herring

He doesn't actually care about the economy

To that obsessed extent

Its why I ask him why he isn't for removing minimum wage and removing the cap on maximum work hours

he just points it out because thats the one thing the EU can do for a nation that MIGHT be good