So if you really wanna get clear.

https://9axes.github.io/

Go ahead.

There's a question of "the benefits of open borders would outweight the cost"

I'm like "sure". Then my slav ass realizes that the "closed border" opposite of the open border in this question is what I understand by open border <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Fucking 'murican commies

Open borders means you can't really regulate who comes in and out. Easy to get couped.

I'd imagine 15 Million Russians just fly over.

i have talked to someone who genuinely thinks a flood of lower class people will make your country's current low class magically turn into middle class

If we were a racialist society, yes.

But that's not how it works anymore. The white man is equal and will be just as low as they were before, if not lower.

It seems whoever you spoke to, thinks like a racist from the 1960s.

we were referring to financial class like poor and middle class

though the same amount of stupidity i guess

Yeah I know but he's assuming foreigner lower class coming in would somehow raise either the citizen class there already.

@Ankelaos Yea, it's just over here, open borders kinda means "wow, you can cross the border and leave your country without getting shot at" <:smugon:512048583806025739>

And it's your army doing the shooting.

My army?

Yes

Where do you think I'm from?

No idea, is that relevant?

It seems to be with your assumptions.

We're not shooting Somali's or Frenchmen here.

We actually let them in. We just boot them out if they're illegal later.

Turns out I’m for social democracy

And believe me, I've seen enough to know they are not very common. The illegals that is.

The "your army" is not global, it pertains to the meaning of open borders for someone from a post-communist country, the theoretical construct placing you in a role of someone who would try and leave during communism

You just overthought an offhand pronoun, basically

I don’t think it’s right for economic view though

I’m very pro free market in the right industries

I mean... Berlin was getting deserted because of Communism.

They had to put a wall up, remember?

It's a very failed government if you have to keep the people in.

Exactly

Anyway. As for the border thingy magig?

so that's what I understand as the opposite of an open border, whereas what I think of as an open border, the 'murican commies think of as an opposite

Eh. More likely you could get shot without any border security there. Not much really stops some other group just tolling the road there.

I dunno, if one thing goes, something will take its place. Tolling people for crossing into America? Could be lucrative with nothing there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvWWk31cyYA

Mc Cheese Beard?

considering the test is adjusted for a modern context, the opposite probably means no immigration at all and not movement between countries for reasons other than resettlement.

Like Great Wall of China kind of deal.