Message from @Matt4Liberty
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I can use a painting as a tool
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To smack you over the head with
that too
I mean you can make a tool into an art work
The brush is not art.
The motions of the painters hands are not art.
The end result, the picture, is art.
but it would sacrifice the function of said tool
that's rather unfair to say
I watch alot of speed drawings and timelaspes and I have to say the way things are done end up leaving a greater impression on me more than the end product
the finesse of the workman is an artform rarely appreciated
The game designer designs the interactions that the player will have with the medium. He designs them to be as conducive to the enjoyment of the game as possible. He makes choices on what to allow and not to allow players to be able to do. This is at the very least framing.
if this is not art
the choice of music is not art either
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Let’s say you make a chair, it’s a really beautiful chair. It’s so beautiful that you don’t let anyone sit on it. Instead, you put it in a gallery and charge people money to come and see it.
People come from all over the world to see your amazing chair. Everyone loves the chair. You become rich. You’re celebrated as a brilliant artist. The chair is brilliant art.
But what is a chair? A chair is a tool that humans use for the purpose of sitting on.
If no one ever actually *sits* on the chair. If the chair is never used as a tool. It isn’t a chair. It’s a piece of sculpture.
yeah, I can see your point, but I was making that point, in simpler terms, now I'm making the point that the use of said tools is an artform in itself
Well, here’s where it gets quite technical. Is sport art?
depends
That's pretty blanket tho you can say that for anything.
The guitar is not art (you sure about that?)
The motions of the guitar player as he strums the instrument is not art (you sure about that?)
The end result, music, is art (we're all sure about this)
I would say high end playing of sport can be appreciated on an artistic level
That’s a generous, yet fair, statement.
I could agree that the guitar is not art, though it could be made into art at the cost of it's effectiveness as a guitar, but the motions of the player is blatantly an artform as it can be appreciated divorced from the music that it produces.
Again, let’s say the beautiful guitar, has an amazing paint job on it, or it’s made with exotic materials, or it’s just finely crafted. Well done. You’ve got some great art on a tool.
That's what I said
Read the second part of that statment
I was agreeing with you
well sortof
Read the second part
the rest of my statment
So if I'm really good at stacking boxes that's an art?
depends on how you do it really
It depends.
Why are you stacking the boxes?
it's all about the finesse and skill of your work
well played tetris is definitely an artform
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If you are stacking boxes simply so that people can look at the boxes and think about how well they’re stacked. Stacking the boxes was art.
If it’s you’re job to stack boxes, and you’re really fast and efficient at it. Well good for you. You’re great at your job. And we might be amazed and impressed. But it’s not art.
Exactly it is a skill that creates said art. Nothing wrong with appreciating skill.
It’s not the skill.
skill is an artform