@Jack of Trades Killing a kid, and forcing someone to give up a kidney, are two different things

@Cooliticoh an ad hominem? I declare victory

The moral argument is at the basis of any and all legal arguments. If you don;t agree about the morality of an issue, you can't really pass laws that everyone will be ok with, just saying... Might as well stop arguing and tell Scale you're going to outvote him and he can eat shit. Cause that's what you're gonna do regardless of any way it ends up being rationalized. It's also incidentally what would happen if Scale's position was in the majority, just the other way 'round.

@Jack of Trades You dont have the right to do *either*

Not at all

@Scale_e you're missing the point

Bht sure

I declare victory

Because it's a fundamental moral matter, not some confusion about rules...

oki but it's still not comparable

If it makes u feel better

You aren't allowed to kill a kid.
You aren't allowed to steal a kidney.

Go into recovery mode and keep saying u win

This isnt complicated.

because the kid existed before he needed you to keep him alive

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM there is a confusion about rules in addition to the moral matter

cool

Namely the process in which it came to be legalized

but then the moral matter is the important bit anyway, the rest is fluff

and if we go the "a foetus is not a person" thing then the baby is a healthy part of the mother and removing it would be self harm

maybe

They're both important, in different levela

it certainly wouldn't be an illness

sure Cooltic, whatever u say

At the very least

@Jack of Trades In an aboriton, what is the action being taken? Killing a kid.
In a kidney transplant, what is the action being taken? Taking a kidney.
That is the action.
Both are morally wrong actions. (Assuming the kidney donor does not give consent, of course)

Good im glad we agree

It's grounds to ignore any and all bitching when states try to correct the problem caused by SC overreach

Ehhh, kidneys should be nationalized anyway...^^

But you're not allowed to force someone to use their body in any way ;)

Yes u can

That is an abstraction.

Precedent says you can

It's pony time, my white niggers

See you later to your boring discussion

Assisted self-harm is illegal

No lawmaker is saying "A pregnant woman has to do X"
They are saying "No doctor shall kill a kid"

Ofc the pedo is also a brony

Shits. Not. Complicated.

I've beenm arguing about holocaust denial a lot lately

Holocaust? More like