Message from @Tonight at 11 - DOOM

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2019-08-05 19:55:15 UTC  

so the only way to make it so non-abuse images to be illegal is to either over-broaden the law, or create a new law.

2019-08-05 19:55:17 UTC  

@NinjaQuick Only the creation.

2019-08-05 19:55:42 UTC  

not really because laws are useless which you cannot realistically enforce

2019-08-05 19:55:52 UTC  

Distribution, too, used to be Grey market or even sold in adult stores.

2019-08-05 19:56:00 UTC  

and in order to enforce any law as you suggest, they would need 'just cause'

2019-08-05 19:56:13 UTC  

The law is more of a protection law

2019-08-05 19:56:15 UTC  

Quick question, are there mandatory minimums for sexual abuse of a minor?

2019-08-05 19:56:21 UTC  

The law was setup to stop the creation, not consumption of the material

2019-08-05 19:56:29 UTC  

not sure what you mean by 'protection law'

2019-08-05 19:56:36 UTC  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck ninja is over here going into the history of case law of pedophilic pictures

2019-08-05 19:56:38 UTC  

The consumption of the material has essentially no 'harm'

2019-08-05 19:56:42 UTC  

Whereas the creation does

2019-08-05 19:56:49 UTC  

So if a site is hosting a picture of a teen, and the person in the Pic wants it removed, they would be able to ask it to be removed.

2019-08-05 19:56:49 UTC  

because he just happens to have knowledge and wants to enlighten you!

2019-08-05 19:56:50 UTC  

the law is more of a law to protect the law?

2019-08-05 19:56:50 UTC  

Yes

2019-08-05 19:56:53 UTC  

But I kinda agree with you tbh

2019-08-05 19:57:08 UTC  

The issue of consuming it is the creation of a market where creation makes sense.

2019-08-05 19:57:15 UTC  

ah, yeah. that is a function of Libel Law

2019-08-05 19:57:25 UTC  

R u dumbasses still on about pedos?

2019-08-05 19:57:29 UTC  

There's always going to be a market for it tbh

2019-08-05 19:57:37 UTC  

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM ninja wont hush about it

2019-08-05 19:57:42 UTC  

But the law was made with 'harm' in mind

2019-08-05 19:57:42 UTC  

ninja

2019-08-05 19:57:47 UTC  

Where does the most harm occur?

2019-08-05 19:57:53 UTC  

Look I believe in the free flow of information, all information

2019-08-05 19:57:54 UTC  

go fuck a kid already so that the state can lock you up

2019-08-05 19:57:57 UTC  

you freak

2019-08-05 19:58:10 UTC  

we moved on to talk about parents and how we don't want to write laws that allow the State to abuse parent's rights to raise their kids

2019-08-05 19:58:45 UTC  

was that the conversation, or just you though?

2019-08-05 19:58:51 UTC  

part of why cp was illegalized the way it was was to catch predators who couldn't be had on actual abuse charges

2019-08-05 19:58:54 UTC  

well, it's how you got to this shitty point with SJWs and trannys in the schools

2019-08-05 19:59:01 UTC  

States rights are a joke.

2019-08-05 19:59:04 UTC  

givng the state too much power

2019-08-05 19:59:13 UTC  

A unified, centralized government is the best solution.

2019-08-05 19:59:14 UTC  

but many legislatures are looking into backpedalling it because of how the internet has impacted it

2019-08-05 19:59:16 UTC  

always worse than parents having that power

2019-08-05 19:59:41 UTC  

it used to be that having CP nearly always meant buying from or knowing or participating in the crimes inherent in the creation of it

2019-08-05 19:59:48 UTC  

man oh man

2019-08-05 19:59:53 UTC  

we've got a legal expert on CP