Message from @Laucivol

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2019-08-13 08:23:39 UTC  

how hard is that

2019-08-13 08:24:50 UTC  

Worst part is, you can't even discriminate on national origin, even for non-citizens.

So while China is engaged in rampant IP theft, you are legally prohibited from restricting Chinese nationals from jobs in tech. You can't even subject them to heightened background checks (because the Chinese government is constantly stealing IP), because that would be "national origin discrimination."

2019-08-13 08:25:40 UTC  

pretty fucked up, huh?

2019-08-13 08:25:42 UTC  

If you hired a Canadian dude with a clean background check and not much else, but want to look into the family connections of a Chinese guy just to make sure he's not a pawn for the Chinese intelligence services, you just broke the law.

2019-08-13 08:26:00 UTC  

how did things get this fucked up?

2019-08-13 08:26:19 UTC  

Politics.

2019-08-13 08:26:20 UTC  

"Muh racism."

That's how. People scream oppression, prejudice, and bigotry, and then all critical dissent stops. Right then and there.

2019-08-13 08:26:27 UTC  

I mean, jesus we used to care about that stuff

2019-08-13 08:26:37 UTC  

Well, more like power plays.

2019-08-13 08:26:39 UTC  

Anyone who continues to oppose them ends up being branded a literal fucking Nazi, and cast out of polite society.

2019-08-13 08:26:52 UTC  

no shit

2019-08-13 08:27:09 UTC  

deviate a little bit from the narrative and *bam*

2019-08-13 08:27:52 UTC  

If you want to look into the family connections of Chinese workers during an employment screening, to make sure they're not in any way connected to Chinese intelligence, you basically have to do that shit for ALL workers.

It also means you have to bar employment to anyone with links to British or German intelligence, even though England and Germany are not engaged in rampant IP theft and we're fucking military allies to those countries.

2019-08-13 08:27:55 UTC  

I've seen someone get *furious* with me when I expressed confusion over her accusation that Bernie Sanders *wasn't* a misogynst

2019-08-13 08:28:28 UTC  

same thing for racism topics

2019-08-13 08:28:48 UTC  

it's like a switch

2019-08-13 08:29:13 UTC  

The only exception is military contracting, but then you basically have to accept whatever the fucking feds have to say about it. If some Chinese dude looks super fishy, but the Feds say he's OK, you have to let him look at the blueprints for a $1.5 trillion dollar warplane, and don't you fucking dare treat him differently than American workers.

2019-08-13 08:29:18 UTC  

I can quote back arguments from 20 years ago that were fine for the old left, but now it's a trigger

2019-08-13 08:29:45 UTC  

no arguments back, just hate

2019-08-13 08:30:15 UTC  

A lot of it seems to me to be how the topic is being presented and what the listener is cued in on. If it's logic, but the listener is prepared for emotive communication shatters.

2019-08-13 08:30:19 UTC  

It's unhinged tribalism, and they're not just destroying themselves.

They're bringing down everyone else with them.

2019-08-13 08:30:39 UTC  

Or if it's emotive and the listener is primed for logic.. SSDD.

2019-08-13 08:30:41 UTC  

I started noticing that, yes, IQ has a noticiable difference in different countries

2019-08-13 08:31:12 UTC  

just noticing that made me think there was something wrong with what we are allowed to say

2019-08-13 08:31:28 UTC  

It's also probably because voters have never been that logical, at least for the vast majority of them. They're taught from a young age to be "in tune with their emotions," and that emotions are just as important, if not more so, than logic.

So logic ends up being subverted to emotion, and it corrupts their thinking.

2019-08-13 08:31:39 UTC  

I tried for *years* with the idea that anyone could learn anything

2019-08-13 08:31:53 UTC  

I had no idea how deep those ideas get

2019-08-13 08:32:44 UTC  

yes, I think you have something there

2019-08-13 08:32:51 UTC  

Eh, IQ isn't the right denominator, but if I grep the correct concept it's the same of what I speak. (IQ is more an indicator of the ability to manipulate and process data, rather than sensible interpretations.)

2019-08-13 08:32:54 UTC  

I actually think that IQ differences are a result of epigenetic factors (as in - environment) and education level (since it heavily depends on abstraction) ... the "race" as a factor is just a red herring

2019-08-13 08:32:59 UTC  

emotion is quite strong

2019-08-13 08:33:06 UTC  

@shrikeclaw - Interesting point about the realities surrounding IQ, is what would happen if a corporation took advantage of that knowledge. You could create an elite school for high IQ children, and basically train them to be your loyal goons. You'll end up with an army of geniuses that will do whatever the fuck you say, and at that point you just take over.

2019-08-13 08:33:19 UTC  

Erm..

2019-08-13 08:33:26 UTC  

evolution doesn't stop at the neck

2019-08-13 08:33:35 UTC  

they are using that

2019-08-13 08:33:36 UTC  

That's known as "higher education." @Arthur Grayborn

2019-08-13 08:33:44 UTC  

essentially

2019-08-13 08:34:01 UTC  

Universities

2019-08-13 08:34:04 UTC  

@shrikeclaw and genetics do not stop after birth

2019-08-13 08:34:22 UTC  

look at how the universities are talking about their students