Message from @ETBrooD
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name the places where inbreeding happens most
ayrab
why was i summoned
@☩ ✠ Valka ✠ ☩ we going by historical or present day
cause if we're going historical, europe takes the fucking cake
I am unaware of inbreedings outside royalty in europe, historically.
present day = Muslim majority countries (has been a incestuous place for very long) enough time to alter intelligence and cause health problems.
pretty sure most of that is rape, but i would prefer you source that information
```Marriage between cousins remains rampant in much of the Muslim world. And the results are entirely predictable.```
Fixed
Pakistan is, unsupisingly the worse for it, but its also previlent elsewhere.
the majority of muslims are not acknowledging the issue, Imams, televangelists are openly endorsing it.
No wonder Muslims haven't progressed as a society.
before I knew this, I thought statements like that are entirely racist.
From a religious perspective it makes sense. Your prophets bloody daughter married her cousin Ali...
*If its good enough for the prophets daughter then surely it is holy and blessed by god*
kek
I also heavily disagree with tolerance being an objective pathway. Tolerance is a personal choice, thus it is subjective.
I honestly don't even know why you're bringing objectivity and subjectivity into this. I think that only complicates the conversation because people disagree on what constitutes what (subjective/objective).
I completely disagree with that. Social cohesion is a big factor in humankind's survival. Our weakest members must be protected, but only *if they are truly our members and if they are truly weak.*
What constitutes a member of society and what constitutes a weak person is exactly what the political debates are always about.
When a government forces its people to accept foreigners, it has the duty to make sure that the people are welcoming of them. And that starts with demands on the foreigners: do not commit crimes, be a productive member of society, learn our language and our customs, etc.
Because those same demands have also been put on the native population, it is only fair to put them on foreigners.
Social cohesion is so important to humankind that many wars have been fought over it, and many crimes have been committed over it. This is not a phenomenon of modernity, it's been going on since the existence of the human species.
Even when in theory it would be more productive to work together, in practice our instincts very often override that idea. But I guess in the west we've lost sight of this, because we've lived in our cohesive bubble for too long, and now that cohesion starts to break down we have trouble accepting that human nature is much more primitive than we thought it was.
My argument is that racism must be fought against consciously, with methodical and slow thinking, which is the difficult path. Many people will choose to ignore that alternative because of personal biases. And we're all biased. Social unrest is all but guaranteed when too many foreigners come in at once who don't appear to be integrating properly. It doesn't matter then that the weak must be protected, the priority lies on cohesion, because that's what our nature dictates.
And also, who's to say that you're on the "good side" saying you want to protect the weak? What about the rape gangs in the UK? Isn't that exactly in your own interest, too? Protecting the children from these gangs? So maybe you see how easy it is to dismantle your argument. You can't just say "it's irrational fear, it's irrational fear!" and believe this argument will get through to people.
But we always like to think of ourselves as the smart ones, I'm aware.
In fact personally I doubt that many pro-mass-immigration activists have been to a migrant school before. My father used to work at one for several years. He told me about the behavior of the students, and the customs of the families. It's very eye-opening.
But this is a bit of a rant. My original point was that racial discrimination is natural and evolutionary beneficial. My argument is that modernity has blinded us from this truth, because we've escaped the need to live as primitively as people used to.
But not living primitively, and not being primitive, are not the same thing. I'd argue we won't escape our primitive nature, and thus racial discrimination will not go away, because it still has its use, and if only to quench irrational fears.
You can beat your chest about reason and rationality all you want, that won't evolve the human consciousness.
“Racism must be fought against”
You’re on the “it’s the objective path” route again
Sigh. No, I'm not. But that's two things in one.
First of all I didn't say that I personally believe racism should be fought against. Lost in translation I guess, what I was trying to say is that racism can only be fought against consciously. Could've worded that better.
Secondly, "xyz must happen" is not an "objective path". There's nothing objective about that. If someone believes that "xyz must happen" then that can be entirely subjective.
That's why I hate when people bring up "objective/subjective", it just devolves the argument into a farce, because everyone has different ideas what those words mean.
@☩ ✠ Valka ✠ ☩
When you use wiki and it says (bint alarm) means it's been written by someone who isn't correct.
@ETBrooD I do recall that's not what I said and I will repeat myself because, I am one cautious person:
```Rational fear, is the thing that creates the opposing views of how we can discuss. However when we turn that into something else it becomes - discrimination.```
You can't irrationally come to a solution. You need to be calm and rational about it. And that's the thing - you rant and rant about shit - and your shit is not getting resolved. You need to be rational about your fears to fucking face them. And when it comes to that discrimination pathway of covert discrimination. When you become rational about it.
I never asked you to bathe your nextdoor neighbour in pigs blood did I ? Being rational - comes out with solutions . Again look at China.
@ETBrooD objectivity
``` OBJECTIVITY
the fact of being based on facts and not influenced by personal beliefs or feelings:
Surely true objectivity in a critic is impossible?
We should not lose our objectivity as we respond to the attack.
2: the state or quality of being objective and fair:
The newspaper has a reputation for objectivity and fairness.
3: the quality of being able to make adecision or judgment in a fair way that is not influenced by personal feelings orbeliefs:
He questioned his manager's objectivity.
An auditor must always give the appearance of objectivity and impartiality.```
Cambridge dictionary