Message from @HAM
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A big part of it comes down to the simple fact that Socialism, whether German or Russian, does not work very well. So they end up in a situation where they have to keep finding someone new to rob. So yeah sure they all probably had plans to shiv each other at some point. Just that the idea that Barbarossa was some brilliant spoiler attack for an imminent Bolshevik invasion is shite.
If Russia was planning an invasion that year they likely would have moved some troops that way or something.....
Forgive me if I take this source with a grain of salt
That video was pretty fucking epic you should check it out.
Door open on the inside
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I saw the words undermine holocaust.
COuld you try again in English?
well, my point was more just a meme than anything
No
Well I mean since you brought it up let's watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtACBI1Txrc
Holy shit, I actually watched it, and it's dumber than I thought it would be.
Like, I figured he would just rehash some wiki tier historical documentation about the details of the holocaust, but instead he literally just argues that Hitler being a socialist means he had to have killed 6 million Jews.
Not even that it would be in line with his mission, but that it must have happened.
You weren't paying attention I see.
Basically all he's establishing is *motive*
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"Tranny"
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I'll watch it in a minute but my first contention without even watching it is that holocaust "deniers" don't call themselves 'deniers' they call themselves revisionist.
The genuine historians never claim to deny the Holocaust but simply refute it's details, such as gas chambers, furher orders, etc.
My contention is less that I'm really sold on any particular narrative of what happened, and more that I'm concerned with how aggressively anyone trying to argue counter to the mainstream narrative is silenced.
YEs it was a video about motives. If you want an actual exhaustive account of where the killing happened and why I would suggest Snyder's *Bloodlands*.
My suspicion, is that there were executions of Jews, probably even on a massive scale. Much of the death was likely due to starvation and disease however, and the gas chambers themselves, particularly their widescale implementation is a highly suspicious detail, as is the mass incineration.
The specific *number* is also highly suspicious, but it's perfectly possible there were indeed millions killed.
Exactly. If you're in Europe they'll lock you up.
If you're in America (like with David Cole) they'll have Jewish Terrorist put money out for your head.
And if you're publishing books on Amazon, they'll intimidate the company into taking them down. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I believe it's highly likely certain details which have been enshrined in the official narrative are largely embellishments. Simply what endured after the more fanciful accounts were whittled away.
I also find contention that oh look all the gas chambers are in the area occupied by the soviets after the war. Oh look the so called gas chambers where actually rebuilt by said soviets after the war.
It's also however possible that certain deceptive self-professed survivors are undermining the credibility of the story by making up bullshit. And that for the most part, the core events still occurred.
Even including the gas chambers.
There is some exaggeration on the gas chambers. 6 million is a lot and they had all those slavs, partisans, and gays to kill too. This again comes down to *logistics*. See there were a lot more Jews in Poland and Ukraine than there were in Germany. *logistically* it is quite an effort to transport prisoners to extermination centers. Much more convenient to just round them up and shoot them where you find them. So they developed the Einsatzgruppen to trail behind the army to round up and murder jews along the way.
WW2 was practical a Jewish victory not for the actual reason for its war declaration.
The allies declared war to secure Polish independence. WW2 ends and Polish independence is no where to be seen.
Instead the Zionist go off to the desert and form an illegitimate state and can have goyims imprisoned all across Europe for simply disagreeing with the magic number.
Geting murdered was all part of the nefarious plan eh?
Well, first off, don't assume the people actually making the plans are the same ones who are actually being subjected to the negative consequences of those plans.
Second of all, "Of coursh."
WEll I mean there's also the question of where you find evidence of this nefarious plan. The Einsatzgruppen were part of Gruppenplan Ost which was fairly well doccumented by the Nazis.......
What and the millions of jew that up and went missing......
That went missing, and then suddenly a whole bunch of jews reappeared, probably just bred really fast, I guess
For one I never much said it was part of some "nefarious" plan. It's simply that Jews won the war and reaped the rewards. Jewish influence can never be questioned ever again else you're an antisemite by default.