as long as you are a moral subject

this is not something you can escape

Libertarian is not a moral stance it is a policy stance

ever

policy subject to morality...

it's an action

thus it is a moral consideration

It can be but it doesnt have to be

no

it is by definition

morality is the theory of proper behavior

It dient have to enforce morality

policymaking is a type of behaviour

Doesnt

done

it doesn't have to enforce morality, no

But policy is not behavior

but choosing not to enforce morality is still an act to be morally judged

When we can't trust others to make moral judgements for themselves, then we seek policy

policy is behaviour

gov chooses what to do

literally

This has nothing to do with the point i was making

in this case it chooses not to do something

which is also a choice

Libertines seeks to break or change the moral order puritans seek to uphold it

fine, but don't call libertines amoral or uninterested in morality

because all thye are by your definition is social revolutionaries

unhappy with the currently enforced moral order

@Meme Dreamer @juryrigging

it cut off the right side there for some reason

They are immoral or support immorality by definition

but thats what i got

immorality is subjective too

If you are a libertine immorality can be subjective

it's because morals are subjective

not really....

or at least - a great many of them are

to some degree

Not to a Puritan

at least when it comes to outliers. situations where there are outlying extremes of horrific actions