R-Tao - because those things make it hard to work together with others.

and usually Working Together with someone is a higher net benefit than not working together with others.

Surely. We now have a challenge being in a larger country, where it's hard to escape alongside those you wish to share reality with, we expect the government to step in to shape the conditions

nah not even in a larger country just on an individual level.

Say you have a chicken and bob has a cow

you can either kill bob and take his cow

or you can trade some of your extra eggs with bob and have some of his extra milk.

@system11 you seem to still not know what obective morality even means

option 1 means in the long term..you now have to take care of both a cow and a chicken.

more work.

I might be wrong, but we only have these concerns because long established rule of law and morality have been let slip. And we refuse to kick offenders into the next realm.

@system11 most humans living today belive in objective morals (or at least purport to based on religion polling)

Just because people subjectively believe in different moralities does not proclude the possibility of a single metaphysically correct morality

let me know when you identify the objectively correct set of divine moralities. im sure the explanation will be breathtaking

Karma would be a bitch

@system11 you are clearly retarded

that must be it

@system11 - I imagine it would involve God showing up and spelling them out, which would technically be breathtaking.

i'd pay a fiver to see that

You here that god! someone said they would pay a fiver for you to show up and smite some fuckers

hear*

Poor brainlet cant understand the difference between advocacy of a position and neutrally explaining it

Even then there'd be mass denial, refusal in the face of the judge

not smite, just give us a list of morals, they could be carved into stone tablets or something. i want to see them do it though, no parlour tricks like having a prophet do it for them

well presumably God would have to prove he is the big cheese

and that would involve some smote

Crap, I was about to make a religion out of that..

Kek

Assuming our laws are just, defined to the minimum effect, and enforced with swift and reliable justice, we could forget having to rely on God making an appearance, he shouldn't have to roll up

Yes but that wouldn't make objective morality

that would just be us agreeing on a set of morals.

Haven't we already spent the last thousand years doing that?

Government needs to be accountable for upholding what we already deem to be objective morality.

but it isn't objective it is subjective.

well we tried, but people keep moving the goalposts forwards and backwards

the laws we set in place are just the shit we can agree on.

I use objective tongue in cheek, we can get just close enough to tolerate the definition.

i wasn't entirely joking when i said objective morality is a social construct, if we're happy to use the term despite the obvious issues

Semantics are an idle sport

Of couse you think the idea of objective morals is a social construct if you believe that morality is fundimentally subjective what else could it be

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