It was a privilege of the upper class

Dude, even fashion reflects it

What do you think all these men dressing up and putting makeup on was?

i dont care about what rich urbanites were doing

I'm talking about everyday people

But my point is that it's a result of wealth

As society becomes wealthier, which it does, people express themselves more freely and openly, in all classes

It's inevitable, it's always been the case

that doesn't make it a good thing

That's not your point though, you're talking about "enforcing traditional values"

I'm telling you they weren't traditional to begin with

The elite never cared about this shit

again i dont care about what rich urbanites were doing

So if you ask for statist intervention in favor of traditionalism, you're looking in the wrong place

Because the state is run BY the elites

They'll always pander to their own desires

Degeneracy started at the top first

that wouldn't make it inevitable, presumable you would get rid of said elites first

if we're talking about the future that is

So you want to have an endless cycle of elites getting killed and replaced?

That's the stupidest idea ever

you're assuming that all of them agreed in those types of ideas

many of them didn't

No I'm not, it's just inevitable

it's inevitable that some people would have those views

so presumably you would remove them from positions of power before they could spread there views

No, that's stupid, because if you have the power to remove them, then they've never had enough power to begin with, YOU'd be the one enforcing it

i.e. a dictatorship

you wouldn't need a dictatorship

look at hungary

it's a starting point

sure it's no where near perfect

Why are people always pointing to one or two countries

Guns solve many problems when a dick becomes a dictator.

The overall trend is very clear, the people simply want politicians to make reasonable policies, and not screw them over. People have very simple desires, they just don't want to get buttfucked and the country going to hell.

Overall most countries are unclear on how progressive or conservative they want to be, it's a mixed bag, it's just happenstance.

In one country it's like this, in the next one slightly different, there's no clear trend anywhere.

the socially conservative Hungarian government spreads their values via state controlled media and education, it's an interesting starting point

it's something that should be emulated

Dude

It's one population