Message from @Monstrous Moonshine

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2019-08-02 22:54:04 UTC  
2019-08-02 22:54:13 UTC  

@notaglobe <:comfort:592107824826417204>

2019-08-02 22:58:02 UTC  

@Mikey dude, I go do shit for a few weeks and the internet is just a shit storm

2019-08-02 23:37:33 UTC  

@whiic Ant mutualism barely works

2019-08-02 23:37:44 UTC  

As they're so small their life spans are irrelevant

2019-08-02 23:38:08 UTC  

So even if humans had hive minds, communism still wouldn't work

2019-08-03 00:49:01 UTC  

well reddit IS the garbage bin of the internet

2019-08-03 00:49:18 UTC  

it makes 4chan look like an actual discussion board

2019-08-03 00:58:08 UTC  

lol

2019-08-03 01:03:46 UTC  

quell fucking surprise

2019-08-03 01:07:13 UTC  

envision my confusion

2019-08-03 01:24:40 UTC  

@system11 there's higher level conversation on 4chan than reddit. It's fucking sad

2019-08-03 02:16:12 UTC  

the article includes a fairly detailed set of criticisms of the official theory regarding the world trade center building collapses

2019-08-03 02:27:00 UTC  

Skip to 58:49

2019-08-03 02:27:19 UTC  

What is the name of the philosophical argument used by JF here?

2019-08-03 02:27:41 UTC  

He calls it "the fisherman's bait" in informal terms

2019-08-03 02:28:02 UTC  

Is there a formal name for it?

2019-08-03 02:46:29 UTC  

listening now

2019-08-03 02:54:05 UTC  

I don't know, I don't think I've ever heard of it being specifically named anything before.

2019-08-03 02:54:34 UTC  

I think there's a degree to which the ideas aren't being explored with proper nuance, however. Just from this brief clip.

2019-08-03 02:55:26 UTC  

Basically, the issue is, if you have some mechanism by which those who are more focused on being reproductive than being productive can economically sustain their reproduction, it creates a risk that it would be exploited by those people to tremendously expand their ratio of the population.

2019-08-03 02:56:22 UTC  

Essentially, any charity meant to address poverty needs to also implement some check against the subset of the population which requires it becoming a more dominant representation of the population as a whole.

2019-08-03 02:56:43 UTC  

Which is extraordinarily tricky.

2019-08-03 02:58:28 UTC  

The best selection mechanism, historically, in my understanding has actually been *lethal scarcity.* But only in certain contexts. And this is something which is difficult to replicate artificially, on top of carrying all kinds of ethical ramifications, and the capacity to be ideologically exploited.

2019-08-03 03:00:19 UTC  

Basically, a regime tends to operate like an organism, and will seek to perpetuate itself over serving its official function. Such a regime granted power to affect the reproduction of the masses will almost certainly choose to perpetuate those phenotypes which its operators believe can be most easily exploited to perpetuate and expand itself.

2019-08-03 03:01:07 UTC  

The irony being, if it *doesn't* do this, it will likely become unsustainable far sooner, and be replaced by another system which does.

2019-08-03 03:02:06 UTC  

So, simply by virtue of evolutionary reality, a system which prioritizes perpetuation of itself above service too its goals will almost always be the more successful and stable system long term.

2019-08-03 03:03:18 UTC  

There isn't a formal term for it because JF is speaking out his ass. I've looked at his CV he has done no work in evolutionary biology at all. I also bothered to read his book which seems like a poor understanding of Dawkin's *Extended Phenotype* mixed with some of the nuttier things Marghulis said....

2019-08-03 03:03:55 UTC  

Oh no, he doesn't have a funny little hat in evolutionary biology? Obviously must be wrong. What's Destiny's funny little hat in?

2019-08-03 03:04:12 UTC  

fatherhood

2019-08-03 03:04:51 UTC  

He has a biology degree but his work was mostly in neurology. You don't really have to know much about evolutionary biology for that.

2019-08-03 03:05:24 UTC  

I've not read his book, but I've heard his argument on the Revolutionary Phenotype. It's apparently a concern shared by a lot of "big brained nibbas" but his reaction to this concern is over the top.

2019-08-03 03:05:38 UTC  

Furthermore, his idea that it can be avoided. It can't be avoided.

2019-08-03 03:05:43 UTC  

Not unless we go extinct first.

2019-08-03 03:05:59 UTC  

Or regress to a point where we can no longer devise technology.